Simviation Forum - A very unusual concorde

Nov 5^th, 2003 at 9:42am

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Usually , on Airliners.net you'll find a million different pictures of a British Airways concorde 102. Well, than this must be very UNusual. Grin

A Singapore Airlines Concorde 102!!!! Shocked

, what kind of world are we livin' in? ???

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Reply #1 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 10:37am

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Certainly unusual Mike. This demonstrates the constant problems with operating a supersonic passenger service, even landing/taking off & flying the aircraft subsonically over populated areas. Many airlines that would have liked to operate Concorde were prevented from doing so by public opinion or for political reasons. Concorde was briefly operated under a joint agreement between BA & Singapore Airlines back in 1977.
This article explains it. http://www.concordesst.com/history/events/sia.html

PS. I don't quite know what the 102 means. I always referred to the aircraft as Concorde.

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Reply #2 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 11:45am

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The number is the version of concorde. Air France operates the Conocrde 101, while BA operates Concorde 102. I don't quite know the difference ???

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Reply #3 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 11:56am

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Of course. Silly me. I remember now. Roll Eyes

Concorde 001 (F-WTSS) was the first Concorde prototype to fly on 2nd March 1969 from Toulouse, France. 002 (G-BSST) was the British prototype which followed on 9th April from Filton, Bristol. If the Singapore Airlines aircraft in your photo is the prototype it would be 002 rather than 001.

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Reply #4 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 12:01pm

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Right, but then they were renamed Concorde 101 and than 102. Or something like that Grin

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Reply #5 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 12:04pm

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OK. I'm sure you're correct. I'm no expert on this. Wink

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Reply #6 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 12:15pm

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Well, i'm not quite the concorde expert either, lol Grin

That's actaully pretty much all i know aside from the fact the it travels 1,450 mph....hehe

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Reply #7 - Nov 5^th, 2003 at 1:27pm

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the four prototyps are named like this: 001,002,003 and 004.

when they started the production, they started numbering like this: 101,102,...

001 is now standing inside the Air and Space museum at Le Bourget airport (Paris). i've been on board of it...it's empty on the inside (only some measurement equipment, no seats). it looked very small. i have a photo of myself in it, my head against the ceiling and my arms spread with my fingertips almost on both sides of the cabin...very small! Wink

the cabin, very small too, looked amazing!

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Reply #8 - Nov 7^th, 2003 at 9:13am

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Hmmmmm... Never seen one of those before... ???

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Reply #9 - Nov 7^th, 2003 at 4:56pm

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Hmmm, speaking of unusual, here's a supersonic that was in a race using fs2002 back in Feb./Mar. of this year.
Anyone regognize it?

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Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2003 at 4:42am

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Boeing Sonic Cruiser? ??? It looks alot like it because those canard foreplanes and the delta wing w/winglets... Or is it the Tu-144?

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Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2003 at 9:29am

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Mmmm, nope. Well here's another shot from overhead, and I should add that it's a ficticious craft as is the space shuttle on it's back, though it is based on some real stuff that NASA/ Dryden research have been working on. 8)

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Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2003 at 10:12am

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The Concorde in the shot is Concorde 102 c/n 210 G-BOAD. It was operated in partnership with BA/SA in 1979. The aircraft had BA colours on the right side and SA colours on the left.

If you are wondering about production numbers and c/n then i'll Try to explain.

As with Boeing and Airbus, each airline has a 2 number code. eg. a BA 747-400 is known to Boeing as a 747-436, where the number 36 is BA's 2 number code.

Now for the confuding bit. All Concordes are -101 models with 200 serial numbers. As AF was the first customer then their concordes were designated type 101 and BA 102. 01 being AF customer number and 02 being BA's. Pan Am would have been 03 etc

001 - F-WTSS (First prototype)
002 - G-BSST (Second Prototype)
101 - G-AXDN (Development Aircraft)
102 - F-WTSA (Development Aircraft)
201 - F- WTSB (Pre Production)
202 - G-BBDG (Pre Production)
203 - G-BTSC (first registered F-WTSC)
204 - G-BOAC
205 - F-BVFA
206 - G-BOAA
207 - F- BVFB
208 - G-BOAB
209 - F-BVFC
210 - G-BOAD
211 - F-BVFD
212 - G-BOAE
213 - F-BTSD
214 - G-BOAG
215 - F-BVFF
216 - G-BOAF

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Reply #13 - Nov 8^th, 2003 at 11:02am

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Aha, I see... very clear. Like the 747-200 is also the 742, right?

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Reply #14 - Nov 8^th, 2003 at 11:04am

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Quote: Mmmm, nope. Well here's another shot from overhead, and I should add that it's a ficticious craft as is the space shuttle on it's back, though it is based on some real stuff that NASA/ Dryden research have been working on.

I give up... what kind of aircraft is it?! ???

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