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Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:16am

BLAZE   Offline
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My God Man! They need to take this son of a b--ch out!

Even if they get this little boy back alive, which I hope
the god they do.

sorry to the folks who object to the death sentence BUT!

He is not safe to be around anyone and he killed someone
and COME ON!.. a 5 year old boy hostage?

SO.. No court.. No trial.. Just death! Angry Good By Wack Ball!

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Reply #1 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 9:36am

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First off...the US has to stop this ridiculous gun law which allows them as a normal part of society.

Control guns

How much of this sort of thing as with the recent shooting is the US going to put up with until it comes to it's senses and does the obvious?.
 
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Reply #2 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:35am

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garryrussell wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 9:36am:
First off...the US has to stop this ridiculous gun law which allows them as a normal part of society.

Control guns

How much of this sort of thing as with the recent shooting is the US going to put up with until it comes to it's senses and does the obvious?.


Garry, as a responsible gun owner myself, I have to disagree with you as do millions upon millions of responsible and safe gun owning Americans do.

The fork is the most deadly weapon in the US right now!  Grin

On the topic of the good of guns:
http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_van_uhm_why_i_chose_a_gun.html
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Reply #3 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:38am

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BLAZE wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:16am:
SO.. No court.. No trial.. Just death! Angry Good By Wack Ball!


Sorry, I don't really think we should go back to death by stoning or lynch mobs. Civilized societies must have criminal justice systems, imperfect though they may be. It really would not be a good idea to abandon civilization just because you're angry about the evil some psycho criminal has done. If a society or a government can abuse the guilty, the next easy step is to start abusing and oppressing those who are not guilty. There really is much to be said about the Rule of Law, considering the alternatives.

The gun rights issue is tainted by the fact that so much money is involved - the gun business is a big business, and lots of profits to be made. But something has to change in light of the repeated massacres in the US. I don't think responsible gun owners are getting any new supporters by saying "gun control won't help - get used to mass murderers using guns, live with it." The NRA is doing a lousy campaign this time, too, with its ridiculous proposals to turn schools into prisons with armed guards everywhere. Not to mention that over-the-top ad about the President's children. I even saw one gun-rights supporter, a science-fiction author, actually making the claim that he should have the right to own a Minuteman missile.
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:51am

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The 911 terrorist used box cutters and high jacked aircraft to kill 3,000 +.

Timothy McVeigh used ammonium nitrate and motor-racing fuel to kill 160 +.

Seems to me that Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws and the laws didn't stop a determined pyscho getting weapons and from killing 77 people.

People hell bent on killing will not be stopped or deterred in anyway by any laws that only law abiding people will follow.

My two cents..... Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #5 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:56am

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ftldave wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:38am:
BLAZE wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 7:16am:
SO.. No court.. No trial.. Just death! Angry Good By Wack Ball!


Sorry, I don't really think we should go back to death by stoning or lynch mobs. Civilized societies must have criminal justice systems, imperfect though they may be. It really would not be a good idea to abandon civilization just because you're angry about the evil some psycho criminal has done. If a society or a government can abuse the guilty, the next easy step is to start abusing and oppressing those who are not guilty. There really is much to be said about the Rule of Law, considering the alternatives.



Yes sir, then there is the issue of mental problems. It sounds like this guy had some kind of mental problem. If he had received the proper help this whole even might have been avoided.

Once again, I stand that the real issue with violent crimes like this has to do more with a lack of proper care for special needs people.
More often than not.

Because it is likely a mental disorder, it is very unfair to just give them the death penalty. In cases like this, plenty of times the mentally impaired do not understand what they did is wrong or can control themselves.

Once again, DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME ON THIS!!!!!
I have had to deal with plenty of pretty nasty problems with special needs family members. I know what I am talking about.

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Reply #6 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:23am

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Romulus111VADT wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 10:51am:
Seems to me that Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws and the laws didn't stop a determined pyscho getting weapons and from killing 77 people.

People hell bent on killing will not be stopped or deterred in anyway by any laws that only law abiding people will follow.

My two cents..... Roll Eyes


What makes you think Norway has strict gun laws? Scandinavia has a strong hunting tradition and Breivik's guns were legal. Google 'Breivik's guns' and read the Wikipedia article. Of course, it might 'seem' to you that Norway has strict gun laws - but where doesn't compared to the US? Maybe Libya or the Congo or somewhere. They're nowhere near as strict as the draconian gun laws in the UK, where politicians made political hay following the Dunblane massacre and banned even the Olympic single-shot .22 pistol. They're now talking about banning air rifles; the word 'gun' is almost a swearword, and the media demonise 'knife carriers'. I carried a knife when I was about eight, as everyone in the country did. In the view of the UK gutter press, I was a criminal aged eight.

The problem here is ideological extremism. Every country needs laws for anything dangerous. The US and the UK are at opposite extreme ends of the gun issue, with the most influential politicians and media making hay at opposite ends of the continuum. Most European countries are somewhere in between these silly extremes.

Having said that, Norway's laws are still too liberal in my opinion. I don't see why hunters need semi-automatic military style weapons - certainly not over .22 (And, BTW, I come from a country area in the UK where I grew up with guns. But I don't worship them.)

It's true that people hell bent on killing will find some way to do it. But the easy availablity of military-style weapons makes it too easy for people to start killing not because they're hell bent, but because they snap. Take the school massacre recently in the US by a guy whose mother was paranoid and had the house stacked with semi automatic weapons. If it hadn't been for that, he probably wouldn't have killed anybody, and even if he had, if he hadn't had semi-automatic weapons he wouldn't have been able to kill so many. As usual, most replies to these sort of question are ideological and irrational - people with fixed ideas will argue that black and white are both grey - and common sense lies somewhere in between.


 
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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:28am

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Blaming the instrument is the most rediculous cop out ever. When someone produces a bad song do we blame his guitar? When a bad book is written do we outlaw pens?

A psychopath will kill a person with a rock picked off the street....no gun needed. No one wants to take responsibility for the actual reasons that people die from violent acts.......PEOPLE!!

I've had guns since I was big enough to hold one and I've never killed anyone as far as I know Roll Eyes
 

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Up, up the long, delerious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace where never Lark, nor even Eagle flew. While with silent lifting of mind I've trod the high untrespassed sanctity of space, put out my hand and touched the face of god"
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:38am

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haegri wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:23am:
[quote author=7C41435B425B5D1F1F1F786F6A7A2E0 link=1359720996/4#4 date=1359733909]
I don't see why hunters need semi-automatic military style weapons - certainly not over .22





Grin Grin.....a .22 caliber hunting rifle........ Grin Grin

That's actually illegal here in Washington State. We have what they call "Big Game" here.
Shooting a deer with a .22 is more likely to mame or wound than to kill. Very irresponsible.

Imagine facing down a charging bear with a single shot .22 that you already fired your single shot from Shocked  I'll bet you'd be wishin' for that semi auto .308 then.

Funny how quick people are to agree with a ban on things they don't have or understand Wink
 

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Up, up the long, delerious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace where never Lark, nor even Eagle flew. While with silent lifting of mind I've trod the high untrespassed sanctity of space, put out my hand and touched the face of god"
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Reply #9 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:50am

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Hard stuff, eah...
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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 12:04pm

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CHUCK79 wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 11:38am:
Imagine facing down a charging bear with a single shot .22 that you already fired your single shot from Shocked  I'll bet you'd be wishin' for that semi auto .308 then.


And how many Americans will face a charging bear anytime soon? I'm more concerned about armed, crazed drug addicts in downtown parking garages than Smoky the Bear.

Once in Armenia my father-in-law was going to take me to see an aquaduct project he was supervising up in the mountains of Lori Province, and he told me we had to stop by the police station to check out his weapons. That's right. His high-powered rifle and shotgun were stored at the police station, available for check-out 24x7 when needed. "Why do we need weapons?" I asked, puzzled. "Bears and wolves," he replied. A blizzard cancelled our trip and, yes, there's still occasional gun violence in that small, miserable post-Soviet Republic. But those murders are usually assassinations, mafia work. I think it's an interesting example of how high-powered weapons are regulated "over there", regulated but still available for sport. But I'm sure a hot Makarov pistol could easily be had at the local bazaar.

Another example from that distant almost-a-country comes to mind, a terrible car accident with fatalities. The surviving driver was the mayor's son, high on prescription drugs, joy riding after a night at the casino. The crooked judge made a summary ruling that a trial wasn't necessary. A few weeks later, the mayor's son is back in the bars, surrounded by hookers, drinking shots of vodka, while the families of the deceased are trying to recover from the senseless deaths of their loved ones. Yes, there is a need for trials in the courts.
 

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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 12:13pm

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I may never face down a charging bear. I surely don't want to have a single shot .22 in my hand if I do though Wink

I would have no problem checking my guns in with "trusted" local authorities if they were readily available when I wanted them for sport use...... Like the Ol' West when you had to check your guns before going into town. I think that's a fair idea except for one thing. I need a gun for home defense too. If allowed to keep one weapon for this purpose it would be a viable idea on a small scale, but too expensive for large scale......in big cities where most of the violence happens Undecided
 

"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth and danced the skies on laughter silvered wings. Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun split clouds.....and done a hundred things you have never dreamed of.....wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence. Hovering there, I've chased the shouting wind along and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long, delerious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace where never Lark, nor even Eagle flew. While with silent lifting of mind I've trod the high untrespassed sanctity of space, put out my hand and touched the face of god"
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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 3:24pm

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Right. This is turning into a peeing the furthest contest and has no place here. LOCKED!
Next idiotic news thread saying people need to be "taken out" WILL see the imbecile posting it BANNED!
This is your ONLY warning!
I've seen too many of these idiotic episodes over the years to tolerate. We like discussion but we come here to get away from the negativity of the Press. DEAL WITH IT!
 

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