Simviation Forum - Airshows for trade events?

Oct 20^th, 2012 at 8:58pm

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Well, I'm an engineering undergraduate now, and this time next year I will be applying for internships and industrial placements.

I was hoping to go to Farnborough to try and meet some of the aerospace companies, but I didn't realise that they only operate every other year (and 2013 is an odd year, so it won't be then!)

Are there any other airshows or events (preferably in the UK) which have a large mass of the aerospace companies all in one place, or have I missed the main event?

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Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2012 at 10:35pm

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Im not sure if this is the way things go in the UK but in the US normally as an engineer student you really cannot get an internship if you have only 1 year or even 2yrs in engineering school. Most internships I applied for last year wanted the candidates to have upper level courses. I have no idea what year you are but you might have problems if you are an underclassmen.

If you are an underclassmen having to wait another year will not be a bad thing. You might want to try to take summer classes instead to speed things up.

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Reply #2 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 7:47am

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I'm a first year student, but no, this is definitely how it works. The technical term for it is a "sandwich degree" (which sounds lovely, I know!). It basically means that you spend 2 years studying, then the third year is doing an industrial placement/internship/whatever they plan on calling it. You do that for one year, then return to studies after that year to finish off the Bachelor's degree.

So a 3 year degree lasts 4 years and has a year where you're getting paid to work. Quite often they'll give you a project to work on in the final year (your major project work) and give you a job at the end of it all.

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Reply #3 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 8:58am

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The RAeS (of which you should be a member Wink

) hold a big event every November at their HQ in London....

http://aerosociety.com/Events/Event-List/661/Careers-Fair-2012

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Reply #4 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 11:02am

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 7:47am:

I'm a first year student, but no, this is definitely how it works. The technical term for it is a "sandwich degree" (which sounds lovely, I know!). It basically means that you spend 2 years studying, then the third year is doing an industrial placement/internship/whatever they plan on calling it. You do that for one year, then return to studies after that year to finish off the Bachelor's degree.

So a 3 year degree lasts 4 years and has a year where you're getting paid to work. Quite often they'll give you a project to work on in the final year (your major project work) and give you a job at the end of it all.

I have to say I like the sound of that over the way it is done here! Here you are expected to go straight through, there are so many course requirements most of my class mates have had to take summer classes to keep up every year (which hinders working)..really annoying! Why couldn't I have gone to the UK for engineering? Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 11:28am

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Mictheslik wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 8:58am:

The RAeS (of which you should be a member Wink

) hold a big event every November at their HQ in London....

http://aerosociety.com/Events/Event-List/661/Careers-Fair-2012

.mic

I had a look on their website yesterday about funding for a master's degree. The main idea was to use the placement year as a source of funding for the master's degree, but extra scholarship and bursaries would also be lovely.

I'll certainly investigate it though! The Novemeber session won't be any good for me though, but perhaps next year. I have a pretty nasty timetable of early starts and late finishes, and I would miss 20% of my coursework for one module on that Friday Embarrassed

Edit: I am affiliated with the IMechE. I presume I can do the same with RAeS at the same time? It also seems as if they don't accredit my degree. I'm doing Mechanical Engineering at the moment, but they do accredit the Aerospace Engineering master's degree which I'm after next. I suppose Mech Eng isn't very aeronautical!

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Reply #6 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 12:51pm

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 11:28am:

Edit: I am affiliated with the IMechE. I presume I can do the same with RAeS at the same time? It also seems as if they don't accredit my degree. I'm doing Mechanical Engineering at the moment, but they do accredit the Aerospace Engineering master's degree which I'm after next. I suppose Mech Eng isn't very aeronautical!

Doesn't matter who accredits your degree, you can join any of them. I'm a member of IMechE and RAeS (the latter accredits mine)

I'd recommend joining and getting involved with their events....they're a great way to build up contacts in industry

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Reply #7 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:36pm

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Well I'll certainly join, but I won't be able to gain further membership with them unless I get the experience (or less experience, but a relevant degree). I'd like to have a chartered status in the future.

Just a few problems with the website, but I'll try again soon.

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Reply #8 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 4:57pm

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To be honest you're probably best looking for them at university careers fairs, wherever they are - google brings up loads...

I don't know if Wednesday the 7th is any better for you: http://www.cranfield.ac.uk/careers/page44553.html

At a major airshow I suspect they'll be more worried about selling than potential recruiting.

PS, where have you ended up and did you get a chance to look at UAS?

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Reply #9 - Oct 21^st, 2012 at 7:23pm

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Thank you, I shall take a look!

I'm at Coventry at the mo', but depending on how things go, I'd like to go to Manchester for the master's degree. I didn't do a full A-level in maths, so it made it difficult to get into the "better" universities. Coventry is great though, but it'll be a bit of a step up to somewhere fancy like Manchester in the future!

I must say, it's really nice at Coventry - We have a brand new £55M building for my faculty, and there is a university Harrier in the basement Grin

I did look at the UAS, and applied, but they don't want me. I shall try again next year though! I'm also looking at becoming a civilian gliding instructor with the air cadets - They just want me to be age 20 before they start to give out relevant info - But it's not too long to wait for that!

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Reply #10 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:32am

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 7:23pm:

I did look at the UAS, and applied, but they don't want me. I shall try again next year though! I'm also looking at becoming a civilian gliding instructor with the air cadets - They just want me to be age 20 before they start to give out relevant info - But it's not too long to wait for that!

You can always try agsin next year. It's very competitive. This year we took less than 10% of those who applied, so some very good people miss out. Let me know if you're going back next year when the time comes.

As for Coventry, it might not be a great uni in the traditional sense, but you can't fault its overall engineering credentials!

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Reply #11 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 6:52am

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C wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 5:32am:

machineman9 wrote on Oct 21^st, 2012 at 7:23pm:

I did look at the UAS, and applied, but they don't want me. I shall try again next year though! I'm also looking at becoming a civilian gliding instructor with the air cadets - They just want me to be age 20 before they start to give out relevant info - But it's not too long to wait for that!

You can always try agsin next year. It's very competitive. This year we took less than 10% of those who applied, so some very good people miss out. Let me know if you're going back next year when the time comes.

As for Coventry, it might not be a great uni in the traditional sense, but you can't fault its overall engineering credentials!

Yeah, it would've been nice to get in this year to give myself more experience in the long-run. If I get in, then it'll be for a year, then I'll leave, then I'll try to rejoin just to have to leave again. Ideally a solid 2 year stint would've been great, but that's just how it goes.

I emailed the careers services - It turns out there are employer events most weeks, but the major fair is in March. There is a web system to help arrange all sorts of events, work experience and volunteering positions.

So far the only bad thing about this university is the 9am starts every single day of the week Grin

This degree will be grafted for! Tongue

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Reply #12 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 3:27pm

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machineman9 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 6:52am:

So far the only bad thing about this university is the 9am starts every single day of the week Grin

This degree will be grafted for! Tongue

Welcome to Engineering!

.mic (only one timetabled 9AM this term....though I'm in at 9 most mornings to do project work Tongue

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P.S....Manchester? Really? Tongue

(Liverpool's much nicer Wink

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Reply #13 - Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 3:50pm

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Mictheslik wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 3:27pm:

machineman9 wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2012 at 6:52am:

So far the only bad thing about this university is the 9am starts every single day of the week Grin

This degree will be grafted for! Tongue

Welcome to Engineering!

.mic (only one timetabled 9AM this term....though I'm in at 9 most mornings to do project work Tongue

)

P.S....Manchester? Really? Tongue

(Liverpool's much nicer Wink

)

Liverpool was on my top 5... Just below Manchester and Aston Wink

Who knows? It's still very early on - I haven't even been given my first proper assignment (that comes tomorrow!) but wherever I go, it will be lovely I'm sure!

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