Simviation Forum - Making of 'Top Gun' part 1

Oct 15^th, 2012 at 7:38am

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Come on, you know you have seen Top Gun. Part 1 of how it was made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LCNzRSaDKAw#!

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Reply #1 - Oct 15^th, 2012 at 8:37am

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Interesting, I always thought the ejection sequence was Hollywood BS, turns out it is a read problem with the F14 Shocked

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Reply #2 - Oct 15^th, 2012 at 9:36am

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expat wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Interesting, I always thought the ejection sequence was Hollywood BS, turns out it is a read problem with the F14 Shocked

Matt

With the TF30 equipped Tomcat compressor stalls were a very real problem, often with tragic circumstances.
F-14A pilots were trained to be very judicious with Throttle settings, especially in the extremes of the flight envelope.
No Zone 5, then cut to idle here. Once the F-14A went into a flat spin the huge wing box created turbulence which decreased lift and made her unrecoverable. Most of the -A models that were lost were due to this occurrence.

It wasn't until the GE F110 was installed in the -D model that the Throttle restrictions were lifted. The F110 is much more robust and with its higher thrust, the F-14D got closer to a 1:1 thrust ratio without the reliability problems of the TF30.

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Reply #3 - Oct 15^th, 2012 at 1:05pm

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ViperPilot wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

expat wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Interesting, I always thought the ejection sequence was Hollywood BS, turns out it is a read problem with the F14 Shocked

Matt

With the TF30 equipped Tomcat compressor stalls were a very real problem, often with tragic circumstances.
F-14A pilots were trained to be very judicious with Throttle settings, especially in the extremes of the flight envelope.
No Zone 5, then cut to idle here. Once the F-14A went into a flat spin the huge wing box created turbulence which decreased lift and made her unrecoverable. Most of the -A models that were lost were due to this occurrence.

It wasn't until the GE F110 was installed in the -D model that the Throttle restrictions were lifted. The F110 is much more robust and with its higher thrust, the F-14D got closer to a 1:1 thrust ratio without the reliability problems of the TF30.

Nice info

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Reply #4 - Oct 15^th, 2012 at 4:11pm

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expat wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 1:05pm:

ViperPilot wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 9:36am:

expat wrote on Oct 15^th, 2012 at 8:37am:

Interesting, I always thought the ejection sequence was Hollywood BS, turns out it is a read problem with the F14 Shocked

Matt

With the TF30 equipped Tomcat compressor stalls were a very real problem, often with tragic circumstances.
F-14A pilots were trained to be very judicious with Throttle settings, especially in the extremes of the flight envelope.
No Zone 5, then cut to idle here. Once the F-14A went into a flat spin the huge wing box created turbulence which decreased lift and made her unrecoverable. Most of the -A models that were lost were due to this occurrence.

It wasn't until the GE F110 was installed in the -D model that the Throttle restrictions were lifted. The F110 is much more robust and with its higher thrust, the F-14D got closer to a 1:1 thrust ratio without the reliability problems of the TF30.

Nice info

Matt

If Maverick had been flying a real F-14 with the throttle inputs he does, it would have blown up. Those TF30s shed blades/parts a lot when stressed as in when the throttle is rapidly moved. Those engines were just horrible and should never have been kept in the F-14s for as long as they were. Im convinced that if they had put a decent engine in them when the problems first came up you would still be seeing F-14s flying off carriers today.

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Reply #5 - Oct 15^th, 2012 at 5:17pm

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Could you imagine if the Tomcat had a 1:1 or better thrust ratio with F110's? Accelerating in a climb, with a 4 Phoenix, 2 Sparrow and 2 Sidewinder loadout? If I saw that on my six I would just go ahead, pull on the Loud Handle, and wait for the chute to open.

I know they got expensive and time consuming to work on, but that's no excuse. The F-14 should NEVER have been retired. PERIOD.

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