Simviation Forum - A good day for Boeing!

Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 8:41am

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Reply #1 - Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 2:30pm

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Now if only they can stop the 787 engines from falling apart, fix the delamination of the carbon fiber, bring production standards up (not down), aaand get the KC-46 going....

I should say the MAX is a good aeroplane...but that I feel has more to do with the fact that its a 737.

If its Boeing (787) Im NOT going!

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Reply #2 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 7:48am

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wahubna wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2012 at 2:30pm:

Now if only they can stop the 787 engines from falling apart, fix the delamination of the carbon fiber, bring production standards up (not down), aaand get the KC-46 going....

I should say the MAX is a good aeroplane...but that I feel has more to do with the fact that its a 737.

If its Boeing (787) Im NOT going!

As most know, I work on 737's and if the quality of the MAX is anything like the quality of new 737's that are being delivered, then Boeing should start with the entire quality assurance department before they start looking for 2500 employees to fire. As an end user, right now, warranty items area a licence to print money. You do not want to know how much money the company I work for gets back on warranty claims Shocked

. Also, there are problems arising on brand new aircraft that are almost being regarded as "standard fit" that arrive with the aircraft. Support from Boeing is one of non interest...............

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Reply #3 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 8:24am

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I know it's not nice to think about but, do you think it will take a body count situation to get there attention before they wake up to the fact that they need to change this.

If you find yourself falling off a cliff, you might as well try to fly.......What have you got to lose?

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Reply #4 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 8:30am

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RichD wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 8:24am:

I know it's not nice to think about but, do you think it will take a body count situation to get there attention before they wake up to the fact that they need to change this.

Unfortunately that is the only thing that will change it.
The Boeing today is NOT the Boeing of history....today its run by a board with their heads shoved up each other's rears.

If its Boeing Im NOT going!

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Reply #5 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 8:41am

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xpat wrote
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You do not want to know how much money the company I work for gets back on warranty claims

If it's as much as you are suggesting, then who pays for it, Boeing? I would have thought that the customer wouldn't, but there again.....

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The Boeing today is NOT the Boeing of history....today its run by a board with their heads shoved up each other's rears.

That would be interesting in a BRACE BRACE situation Cheesy

Unfortunately, I'm a "If it's not Boeing, I ain't going" kind of guy, except the 787. I have had personal experience of fly by wire failure and I can assure you, when it does fail, there is nothing you can do except pray it's over quickly.

If you find yourself falling off a cliff, you might as well try to fly.......What have you got to lose?

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Reply #6 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 9:46am

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RichD wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 8:41am:

xpat wrote
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You do not want to know how much money the company I work for gets back on warranty claims

If it's as much as you are suggesting, then who pays for it, Boeing? I would have thought that the customer wouldn't, but there again.....

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The Boeing today is NOT the Boeing of history....today its run by a board with their heads shoved up each other's rears.

That would be interesting in a BRACE BRACE situation Cheesy

Unfortunately, I'm a "If it's not Boeing, I ain't going" kind of guy, except the 787. I have had personal experience of fly by wire failure and I can assure you, when it does fail, there is nothing you can do except pray it's over quickly.

Yes, Boeing pay for warranty claims.

And..

I have also experienced fly by wire failure. On a CRJ 200 at about 20 feet from landing. Un-commanded roll spoiler deployment. Up until that point in my life I had never thought I was going to die.........The crew got it on the ground, taxied to the gate. I waited until the all had exited and went to the cockpit (I was an employee at the time). The crew were as white as a crisp newly unwrapped virgin sheet and sat in silence contemplating. "un-commanded roll spoiler", I asked. The Co-pilot nodded and said, "we need a few minutes please"...........

At the time this was a known problem with the aircraft. Bombardier were "working on it". This aircraft then sat in the hangar for a couple of weeks waiting for a "fix"

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Reply #7 - Oct 3^rd, 2012 at 1:24pm

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Yes, Boeing pay for warranty claims.

Which obviously cost's more for them than keeping it in house, but the up side is it keeps you and others in a job.

My FBW incident wasn't in an aircraft but a power wheelchair but the principal is the same. I was sat waiting to cross the road after the 30 ton truck had passed when the chair moved forward at full speed (4 mph) without any input from me (suicidal I'm not) Hit the off switch and stopped half on and half off the pathment (sidewalk). Had I not hit the switch........well I'd have had my wings. It also shook up the truck driver. But I'm sure it will happen one day to someone who is not as quick as I was.

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