Simviation Forum - Question for the piston-heads!

Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:43am

Stewy44 Offline
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G'day guys,

I've been flying the heavy metal for a long time now and I wanted to get into the pistons again for some touring.

Is there are good site which explains flying the pistons - climb/cruise speeds and alts, when to pull all those mixture knobs, cowl flaps, etc? I don't understand any of that!

I'd especially like to do more Baron and DC-3 flying if that helps!
Cheers
Stew

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Reply #1 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 9:25am

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Stewy44 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:43am:

G'day guys,

I've been flying the heavy metal for a long time now and I wanted to get into the pistons again for some touring.

Is there are good site which explains flying the pistons - climb/cruise speeds and alts, when to pull all those mixture knobs, cowl flaps, etc? I don't understand any of that!

I'd especially like to do more Baron and DC-3 flying if that helps!
Cheers
Stew

Hello Stew!... Wink

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Give the "Flight School" a try, under this FS 2004 Forum...

Its all been covered before, a lot of it by Brett Henderson...

Paul...FS 2004...Piston Enthusiast... Grin

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Reply #2 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

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What kind of control device(s) do you own? At minimum you need a stick, rudder controls (pedals), and a throttle setup, preferably one with all three types of controls: throttle, feather, and mixture.

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Reply #3 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:12pm

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Travis wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

What kind of control device(s) do you own? At minimum you need a stick, rudder controls (pedals), and a throttle setup, preferably one with all three types of controls: throttle, feather, and mixture.

I suspect he's already got all that fancy stuff for his commercial jets, Trav...

Now he wants to join us Piston "suck and blow" types for some proper aeroplane flying...

Its the; "reciprocating engines with propellers" that he's wanting to know all about.
The magical inner-workings of such devices, and the way we master their internal mysteries, and control thereof...

Like; "What does the blue knob do, in between the black knob and the red knob?"

That's typical of the sort of thing that needs revealing.. Wink

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Paul... Grin

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Reply #4 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:24pm

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Good evening Stewy...

Here are a couple of Links that might help...

http://flighttraining.aopa.org/students/solo/skills/engine.html

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/Library/books/FLT/Chapter2/Manif...

Each aircraft will have it's own Operating Manual for engine type and that is what really should be used... Wink

As all my Operating Manuals for the various aircraft I flew or owned are back in the library at the old homestead I did find this....scroll down for the chart....

http://www.dc3airways.com/technical/flying_fsx.htm

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Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

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Reply #5 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 3:39am

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My apologies, Fozz. Wink

Just trying to cover the basics before issuing commands about "moving the blue handle whilst carefully adjusting the throttle and twiddling with the mixture." Grin

It's just that most throttle-jockeys I have seen or heard of don't have the myriad of levers associated with prop flying. Roll Eyes

Just kiddin.

As for what you need to know, it's all contained in the flight school in FS. It's fairly comprehensive, since I showed up to my first day of flight school much more prepared than half of my classmates. If you've already mastered things such as handling of ATC (no-brainer in FS9 Tongue

), ground handling and navigation, the rest is up to getting a feel for the specific aircraft. Smaller aircraft are less forgiving of small mistakes, so keep your eyes on a pattern when gauge-checking. I'm fairly sure they cover that in the later portions of the instruction. Best to remember that there are three fundamental parts of aviation: lift, drag, and is-that-jet-going-to-overtake-me-on-final?.

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Reply #6 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 3:57am

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Flying Trucker wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:24pm:

Good evening Stewy...

Here are a couple of Links that might help...

http://flighttraining.aopa.org/students/solo/skills/engine.html

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/Freebies/Library/books/FLT/Chapter2/Manif...

Each aircraft will have it's own Operating Manuel for engine type and that is what really should be used... Wink

As all my Operating Manuels for the various aircraft I flew or owned are back in the library at the old homestead I did find this....scroll down for the chart....

http://www.dc3airways.com/technical/flying_fsx.htm

Doug...

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Who is this South American; "Manuel", of whom you speak?... Roll Eyes

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I wonder if he would be conversant with various Aircraft "Manuals", and divulge their inner contents with us?...

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Sorry Doug,...pulling your leg!... Wink

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Paul...... Grin

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Reply #7 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:46am

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Thanks for all the help guys - really appreciate it! Looks like I've got some reading to do!

Quote:

"What does the blue knob do, in between the black knob and the red knob?"

Yes, that was exactly my question, Fozzer, thanks! Cheesy

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Reply #8 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 6:39am

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Stewy44 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 5:46am:

Thanks for all the help guys - really appreciate it! Looks like I've got some reading to do!

Quote:

"What does the blue knob do, in between the black knob and the red knob?"

Yes, that was exactly my question, Fozzer, thanks! Cheesy

You are going to have loads of fun, Stew...

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What you cant locate in the "Sim V Flight School", you will find by suitable; "Googling" for the info..its all there, somewhere!

Paul ....with Variable Pitch Props/ Constant Speed Props.. Wink

...and a Blue Knob!... Shocked

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Lots of "stuff"...>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_speed_propeller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controllable_pitch_propeller

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Reply #9 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:56am

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Hi Paul...you caught me before I could get it fixed... Grin

I usually proofread before hitting the button but what is very unusual is I made the same mistake twice with the same word... Shocked

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

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Reply #10 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:31pm

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Flying Trucker wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 9:56am:

Hi Paul...you caught me before I could get it fixed... Grin

I usually proofread before hitting the button but what is very unusual is I made the same mistake twice with the same word... Shocked

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Doug...

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...you would not believe the number of times that I proof read my posts, before, during, and after I post them...many, many times...

Mostly, because if I make a silly mistake, Hagar is quick to spot it, and make a special point of reminding me...in his special way... Wink

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...its what he does! ... Tongue

...He hovers over me!...Waiting!... Cry

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Paul... Grin

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My latest classic he spotted:..."Lose"...versus..."Loose"... Embarrassed

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He was quick (instant) to spot that!... Grin

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...and hooray for Firefox Spell Checker...("English" Dictionary)... Smiley

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Reply #11 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:16pm

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No one has talked about one of the greatest sites for piston-heads ante-1958, I see.

http://www.calclassic.com/

...for the planes and...

http://calclassic.proboards.com/

...for a forum full of info. Cheesy

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Reply #12 - Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 3:26pm

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Thanks for the plug.

And after you learn the basics, there is a tutorial on flying the propliners more realistically:

http://www.calclassic.com/tutorials.htm

Part 1 - Flight Simulation Basics
Part 2A - En Route Phase (simulating historic infrastructure constraints)
Part 2B – En Route Phase (Radio Ranges – navigation gauge development)
Part 2C - En Route Phase (Procedures, Mach, ETA v ATA, Winds, 4D navigation)
Part 3 - Arrival Phase (including holding procedures)
Part 4 - Approach Phase
Part 5 - Departure Phase
Part 6 - Flight Planning in detail
Part 7 - Near runway operations
Part 8 - Managing thrust in propliners

Hope this helps,

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Tom Gibson
CalClassic Propliner Page
http://www.calclassic.com

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