Simviation Forum - New freeware addon for Flight

Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:11pm

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The first addon for Flight has been released by FSWidgets.

A free moving map for Flight is available on the downloads page.

http://fswidgets.com/shop/index.php

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Reply #1 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:13pm

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And the PLOT thickens... Grin

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Reply #2 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm

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My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

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Reply #3 - Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 8:01pm

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It works fine on my FS 2004...

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...drop the fswvars.dll into the Modules Folder.

(An alternative to Plan-G).

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Reply #4 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 4:59am

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Boikat wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

Sadly enough there won't be any addon aircraft unless you count the ones by M$...

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Reply #5 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:29am

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jetprop wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 4:59am:

Boikat wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

Sadly enough there won't be any addon aircraft unless you count the ones by M$...

And you know this because you work for Microsoft, right?

This is a constructive thread about what is likely the first third party addon for Flight, please don't interrupt this conversation with lies and unknown facts.

thanks.

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Reply #6 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:44am

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JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

jetprop wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 4:59am:

Boikat wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

Sadly enough there won't be any addon aircraft unless you count the ones by M$...

And you know this because you work for Microsoft, right?

This is a constructive thread about what is likely the first third party addon for Flight, please don't interrupt this conversation with lies and unknown facts.

thanks.

cheers,
Joe

Actualy,they SAID that there won't be any freeware addons,all addon traffic will be controlled by them...

I am not sure if MS will allow that addon,but its a seperate program so its confusing.

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Reply #7 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 10:48am

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jetprop wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

jetprop wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 4:59am:

Boikat wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57pm:

My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

Sadly enough there won't be any addon aircraft unless you count the ones by M$...

And you know this because you work for Microsoft, right?

This is a constructive thread about what is likely the first third party addon for Flight, please don't interrupt this conversation with lies and unknown facts.

thanks.

cheers,
Joe

Actualy,they SAID that there won't be any freeware addons,all addon traffic will be controlled by them...

I am not sure if MS will allow that addon,but its a seperate program so its confusing.

Where did they say that?

Can you give me a link so I can get up to date?

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Reply #8 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 11:56am

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Joe,

Aside from other possible sources of this information... . Pete (our host and webmaster) was invited to a Microsoft event pre-release of Flight.

That information was specifically told to him and the other people Microsoft invited to attend. It was posted in a thread directly by Pete.

But one has to also account for the fact that Pete was specifically told that the game (and they stressed that fact too) was going to be HAWAII ONLY. Nothing else. Period. So with recent info on possible other segments of the world, it is looking like they likely "fed a bill of goods" to a number of prominent flight sim folks at that event.

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Reply #9 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 7:47pm

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JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 10:48am:

Where did they say that?

They basically said it here. http://forum.avsim.net/index.php?app=ccs&module=pages&section=pages&folder=/AVSI...

Also Joe, you don't need to defend Flight, MS can do that themselves.

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Reply #10 - Mar 24^th, 2012 at 8:09pm

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I am not defending Flight so much as trying to stay informed.

In doing so, time after time I have read posts by people with no inside knowledge passing along erroneous info.

I read that interview and nowhere in it does J. Howard say there will be no third party addon content.

In fact he leaves the door open for just the opposite.

When asked specifically about 3PD he says...
"Today, as we’ve said before, we are not in a position to enable that kind of external support, though we believe we will be able to in the future. However, we are working on ways to partner with other developers. As we get an ever better understanding of what the Flight customer wants (as opposed to what customers of the previous franchise products want), I see us meeting those needs through both internal and external development."

Seems pretty clear to me.

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Reply #11 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 6:06am

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JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

I am not defending Flight so much as trying to stay informed.

In doing so, time after time I have read posts by people with no inside knowledge passing along erroneous info.

I read that interview and nowhere in it does J. Howard say there will be no third party addon content.

In fact he leaves the door open for just the opposite.

When asked specifically about 3PD he says...
"Today, as we’ve said before, we are not in a position to enable that kind of external support, though we believe we will be able to in the future. However, we are working on ways to partner with other developers. As we get an ever better understanding of what the Flight customer wants (as opposed to what customers of the previous franchise products want), I see us meeting those needs through both internal and external development."

Seems pretty clear to me.

cheers,
Joe

Sigh,may I point out that ONE interviiew sais nothing?
Pretty much everywhere else he sais that there won't be third party addons,but,as we all know,MS is filled with lies.

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Reply #12 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 8:01am

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Yes I was told in December there would be DEFINITELY NO 3rd party content. It seems they are changing their minds a little - probably in reaction to feedback. - But if they are changing their minds it is since release and ongoing ....

However the policy was definitely in house only .......

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/interview-joshua-howard-microsoft-flight/091961

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Q. Obviously there are several publishers who’ve been producing and selling content for Flight Simulator games who’d love to be on board with Flight. Is it still the case that Microsoft will be keeping all the DLC in-house?

JH.

Yeah we believe that for the first year or two at least, this is something we’ve got to manage and understand and own ourselves. We need a more managed ecosystem to reach the kind of customer that we’re targeting now.

Q. Why are you initially shutting out third-parties?

JH.

instead of opening Flight up to everything, anywhere, by anybody, which frankly creates sort of a confusing mess for a new customer, we get to manage it more, we get to tell a story, we get to help it grow and get up on its feet. I completely believe that this ecosystem will come to be even larger than the existing product’s ecosystem. And that will be a point where I can’t possibly meet the appetite of a customer base, and I will invest to bring more people in. That’s the future, that’s what success looks like.

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Reply #13 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 10:04am

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The real answer is, Microsoft sees all the payware sites making money off of add-ons for their product, and gets dollar signs in their eyes. They figure if all payware has to go through them first, they will get a cut of the profits. And they see third party freeware as competition to those profits. Easy answer, cut out all direct third party transactions, and make everyone use their stupid Live thing. I refuse, and will be happy for quite a long time with FS9 and FSX. Adios Microsoft!

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Reply #14 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 1:13pm

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Well I still haven't seen anything that says there will never be any third party content, in fact everything I have read leaves that door open.

Does anybody remember the challenges created by the FSX service paks?

Did any of you have any problems with your addons after you applied sp2?

Did any 3PDs have to scramble and produce patches for their pre-sp2 releases so they would work with sp2?

Did any of those 3PDs make any money off of those patches?

Can you honestly say that you believe Microsoft is not aware of all the distress that sp2 caused?

The biggest difference between Flight and all previous MSFS releases is the distribution model.

With Flight there is no need to release service paks, any needed core updates can be applied automatically when you launch Flight.

So maybe Microsoft will open up the 3PD market after it is happy with how the core works and confident that there will not be any major patches required.

Another point to consider is that right now there is no ATC, only basic navaids, and a few islands in close proximity to each other. Do you think PMDG has any interest in building a 747 for that?

As time goes on we may see, for example, an ATC that actually works in Flight. I think most will agree the default MSFS ATC has never been anything to rave about. With the Flight distribution model you could conceivably fire up Flight tomorrow and , bam there it is, working ATC. The fact that Microsoft has not told us anything about it could be they do not want to create false expectations about something they cannot predict, a release date of a finished product. 3PDs do that all the time.

Maybe, just maybe, they are being coy about opening up the 3PD market because they do not want to build false hope in something that they cannot guarantee today.

Lastly, does anybody here work for a company that advertises "here comes our next product, but don't bother with it 'cause you won't like it"? That would be, in my opinion, a poor marketing strategy. The folks in Redmond are smarter than that.

And Dave, you're right, Microsoft is in it for the money. I own a business and I am in it for the money too, who isn't?

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Reply #15 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 4:07pm

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Well I still haven't seen anything that says there will never be any third party content

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Yes I was told in December there would be DEFINITELY NO 3rd party content

.. you didn't read ...

Doesn't mean they haven't changed their mind but the plan for MS Flight would be that ALL would be in house only .. if they are changing their mind that is an ongoing thing ..

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And Dave, you're right, Microsoft is in it for the money. I own a business and I am in it for the money too, who isn't?

Most good business owners care about their customers above money. That's a good business. Are you like that Joe B and .. do you use Apple?

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Reply #16 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 5:06pm

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JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

I am not defending Flight so much as trying to stay informed.

So your idea of staying informed is attacking other members because they have valid reasons they don't like Flight.

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Reply #17 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 6:26pm

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pete wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

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Well I still haven't seen anything that says there will never be any third party content

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Yes I was told in December there would be DEFINITELY NO 3rd party content

.. you didn't read ...

All due respect Pete, I was referring to Microsoft press releases and published interviews.

pete wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 4:07pm:

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And Dave, you're right, Microsoft is in it for the money. I own a business and I am in it for the money too, who isn't?

Most good business owners care about their customers above money. That's a good business. Are you like that Joe B and .. do you use Apple?

I do care about my customers, without them I don't have a business. My business grows by word of mouth so my customers are #1. That being said, if money was no object I could find other things to do with my time than run my business. Maybe I would travel the world and meet all my simming friends, take them for a ride in my CJ4.

And no, I don't own any Apple products except an Ipod. I do like to eat apples.

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Reply #18 - Mar 25^th, 2012 at 6:28pm

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andy190 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2012 at 5:06pm:

JoBee wrote on Mar 24^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

I am not defending Flight so much as trying to stay informed.

So your idea of staying informed is attacking other members because they have valid reasons they don't like Flight.

I never meant to attack anybody and if you think I did, I am sorry.

Can you point to a specific comment where you feel I have attacked someone and I will be happy to try to explain it.

No attacking from here, simply trying to hold a civil conversation.

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