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BIG BROTHER is ALIVE and WELL,,,,,,,,, (Read 1306 times)
Mar 19
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In England.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/cameras-u-k-gas-stations-block-uninsured-dr...
Not that I'm condoning driving without insurance, but they start with things like this, and eventually, they will monitor how much fuel the honest people use, and next will be rationing. If this is whats happing on the other side of the pond, it's just a matter of time before it happens here in the USofA. Whats next confiscating your vechicle? This whole world seems to be on the verge of becoming one big dictataership. God help us all, I feel for you folks in England.
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Mar 19
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I've had a lengthy discussion about this on another forum... But my general conclusion was 'How is this a bad thing at all?'
Uninsured drivers pass a lot of costs onto honest drivers. The cameras are already in place to catch people who leave without paying, and this is just catching people who are already driving illegally.
We don't share the same fear and lack of trust about our government that our friends across the pond do. I think this is a good idea, and I fully support it. If you're not breaking the law, you'll be fine. Sure, there will be some cases of people being unfairly blocked (dirty license plate or whatever might confuse the system) but all in all, it's a good idea.
There's a lot wrong with our insurance system, and anything to reduce the cost is appreciated. I hope it's the first of many steps to make it fairer for the good guys.
By 'a lot of money' I mean that my monthly premium for car insurance is about the same as yours is annually... And I have had no problems in the past 2 years!
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Mar 19
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It would seem it is much simpler here in Canada.
A motor vehicle has to have it's Licence Plate renewed yearly or every two years at the end of the month the drivers birthday is in.
No:
-proof of insurance
-proof of ownership
-outstanding parking tickets or any driving violations and
no Licence Renewal
The new Tag with the colour coded month is affixed to the rear licence plate.
It is a simple and good system...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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That's right, uninsured drivers cost the rest of us. We have our share of them right here in Florida, where you are required by law to have auto insurance. I'm paying close to $300 a year for the uninsured driver part of my auto premium. There's no excuse for breaking the law, especially when lives are at stake. Uninsured drivers, and unlicensed drivers need to be taken off the road.
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Mar 20
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Flying Trucker wrote
on Mar 19
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, 2012 at 7:32pm:
The new Tag with the colour coded month is affixed to the rear licence plate.
It is a simple and good system...
It sounds vaguely like our vehicle tax system, but solves a different problem... We tax our vehicles by sending off some money (based on the emissions that your car produces) and they give you a paper disc with a colour code for that year, as well as your vehicle details and a validity range. It sits inside the car on the dashboard and any plod or parking enforcer can quickly check it. Your vehicle must be taxed and insured to be used on the roads.
Having a colour coded license plate sounds like a good deal though.
I just don't understand the paranoia about 'them' being able to see and process your registration plate - It is effectively a government issued bit of propety, and it is directly tied to your vehicle. It is always on public display (and we have two of them on cars, so it is twice as visible) and anyone can see it. I don't see any invasion of privacy, which seems to be the issue. It is on public show, it is there to identify the vehicle. Why else do you have them?
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Mar 20
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In my opinion there is no invasion of privacy...
People need to realize that driving is a privilege and not a right...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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machineman9 wrote
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, 2012 at 6:21pm:
We don't share the same fear and lack of trust about our government that our friends across the pond do.
Speak for yourself. Our government scares me stiff & I don't trust any politicians.
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I'm much more concerned about corporations than by anything the government can do. Corporations are intrusive into the lives of employees and customers and they are largely unaccountable, at least in the United States. Too many of the multinational corporations have zero concern about communities, employees or customers. Who pays for all those lobbyists who are corrupting American democracy? Corporations and their fronts, that's who. Follow the money. Crony capitalism and predatory capitalism is practiced by too many big corporations, and that statement is in no way a criticism of fair trade and good business practices. A guy running for US president said that "Corporations are people." Well ...
"I'll believe corporations are people when the state of Texas executes one by lethal injection."
I've worked for multinationals, small corporations, and also in the public sector. I know from experience that the worst, the most vile Big Brother actually wears a business suit, not any government uniform.
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Mar 20
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Hagar wrote
on Mar 20
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, 2012 at 7:28pm:
machineman9 wrote
on Mar 19
th
, 2012 at 6:21pm:
We don't share the same fear and lack of trust about our government that our friends across the pond do.
Speak for yourself. Our government scares me stiff & I don't trust any politicians.
Same =/= none
There is a news article going around which says the FBI are installing hidden cameras inside things such as washing machines to track down and spy on key targets. A bit shifty!
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Mar 20
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machineman9 wrote
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, 2012 at 7:48pm:
There is a news article going around which says the FBI are installing hidden cameras inside things such as washing machines to track down and spy on key targets. A bit shifty!
Uh, LG, General Electric, Maytag, and Whirlpool will make (and monitor) those washing machines. Not the FBI! It'll be part of your "service agreement."
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Firstly it is very old news. I came across this system several years ago at a filling station on the M11 near Stansted Airport. Secondly, if it stops uninsured drivers (I hope it is extended to no MOT as your insurance is then invalid) then I am all for it. I am getting rather fed up with hearing about invasion of privacy when that sentence is ONLY being used to enable people to carry on trying to break the law.
However we are our own enemies when it comes to driving without insurance as it is such an easy thing to do. Effectively, turn the key raise a middle finger and off you go.
The road tax disk should be linked to your insurance. No tax disk, no insurance. They should run concurrently down to the last day that your insurance runs out. The disk should be a bright colour and easy to see. And lastly, if you have no insurance or road tax and your car is found on a public road, then it should be crushed. I don't care if it is a Bentley Continental GT fresh of the production line (How often do we read about 50 grand a week footballers, sorry I have been soooooo busy kicked a dead inflated pig around a field that I forgot) to a 30 year old Robin Relient, it goes directly to the crusher, no if's, buts whys or what if's. To add insult to injury too, you will be responsible of the disposal your your newly acquired "cube"
Driving without insurance would drop like the value of the a for mentioned car. There is only one problem with this though. There is not a politician with the balls to do it. So we will have to carry on paying sky high premiums and lives will carry on being ruined when "YOU" are hit and severely injured by an uninsured driver..........................But hey, we can't have Big Brother watching us, it is an invasion of privacy
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Mar 21
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expat wrote
on Mar 21
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, 2012 at 3:55am:
Firstly it is very old news. I came across this system several years ago at a filling station on the M11 near Stansted Airport. Secondly, if it stops uninsured drivers (I hope it is extended to no MOT as your insurance is then invalid) then I am all for it. I am getting rather fed up with hearing about invasion of privacy when that sentence is ONLY being used to enable people to carry on trying to break the law.
However we are our own enemies when it comes to driving without insurance as it is such an easy thing to do. Effectively, turn the key raise a middle finger and off you go.
The road tax disk should be linked to your insurance. No tax disk, no insurance. They should run concurrently down to the last day that your insurance runs out. The disk should be a bright colour and easy to see. And lastly, if you have no insurance or road tax and your car is found on a public road, then it should be crushed. I don't care if it is a Bentley Continental GT fresh of the production line (How often do we read about 50 grand a week footballers, sorry I have been soooooo busy kicked a dead inflated pig around a field that I forgot) to a 30 year old Robin Relient, it goes directly to the crusher, no if's, buts whys or what if's. To add insult to injury too, you will be responsible of the disposal your your newly acquired "cube"
Driving without insurance would drop like the value of the a for mentioned car. There is only one problem with this though. There is not a politician with the balls to do it. So we will have to carry on paying sky high premiums and lives will carry on being ruined when "YOU" are hit and severely injured by an uninsured driver..........................But hey, we can't have Big Brother watching us, it is an invasion of privacy
Matt
There's probably some EU law against human cruelty and welfare that prevents them from just crushing every single car which is breaking the law... AKA... RUBBISH!
I agree though. If you want to enforce a law, stop hitting people on the back of the hand. Driving is a privilege, not a right. You pass the test, but if you're not keeping up your side of the agreement, then lose the licence or lose the car.
I would benefit from having a third of the cars on the road just vanish! (According to some statistics, as much as a third of all cars are uninsured)
I can't help but imagine that in a few years all cars will have fingerprint scanners built in (to detect if you're insured to drive), or face recognition, and a 'driving license' card reader so that it can make sure who is driving what. That is the government getting more up your nose, but it would solve a lot of problems. Simply immobilise the car if it shouldn't be driving.
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machineman9 wrote
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[quote author=263A377F372A7F223326520 link=1332191160/10#10 date=1332316540]Simply immobilise the car if it shouldn't be driving.
As I said, you can't get much more immobilised than crushing it
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Mar 21
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expat wrote
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, 2012 at 3:08pm:
As I said, you can't get much more immobilised than crushing it
Matt
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Mar 21
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I can't understand why anyone thinks auto insurance would go down in price for any reason. If you could eliminate all idiots and all accidents and all car theft and all vandalism.. YOUR premiums will not go down. Trust me.
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