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Reply #60 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 3:56pm

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There are 3 points that I and probably many hate:

Price:20 dollars for some islands and 2 planes?no way!If thats for every state then america will cost between 1000 and 2000 dollars!

The forcing:You HAVE to do the first 2 misions,you HAVE to connect to LIVE and you HAVE to wait for MS to make a certain aircraft,wich will probably never happen.

The limits:MS said they won't make the entire world,and if you still want a reasonable part of it,you have to be rich.


These are the main disapointments for me.
 

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Reply #61 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 4:11pm

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I also hate how it's a game and  not a sim...  Angry But the only good thing is the crash effects! I love crashing my aircraft!  Grin Tongue Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #62 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 7:44pm

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rodericksnr wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 6:41pm:
"As to where we are taking Flight, the answer is that I can’t give you an endpoint, but I can tell you we are committed to the journey. "

Just as long as the journey is somewhere in Hawaii


Sounds like you are not aware that the state of Alaska is in the works and there will be more after that.

They are releasing a new plane tomorrow, but it looks like another exterior model only like the Mustang.

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Reply #63 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 7:48pm

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alrot wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 11:01pm:
Camel_Moe wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 10:51pm:
alrot wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 10:08pm:
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lolololol Tongue Grin


btw Im 100% agree with you  Wink

Glad we can entertain you all.

I will say I was hoping Alex would join the conversation regarding the ratio of complaints to complements. Having released quite a bit of freeware I am sure he has received a lot of feedback.

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Reply #64 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 7:53pm

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andy190 wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
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You state that FS11 "is exactly what MS does not want to do" and I don't know how you can state Microsoft's future plans when even they won't.



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If returning to Flight Simulator makes sense again sometime in the future, I am confident that Microsoft would not ignore that possibility, but it’s not something that is being actively considered today.
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I think the reason people don't give me links is because they can't, they are making statements based on guesses and opinions and I will be happy to eat crow if and when necessary.


So your saying people who don't like Flight are just making up what their saying. Spoken like a true Politician Joe.

"I don't like what their saying so it's not true."

We do have links but you would just ignore them.


Wow, I have now been called a troll and a politician, at least I haven't stooped to calling people names yet.

Andy I am not putting words into anyone's mouth, I am trying to understand how people can say they were mislead about Flight  based on what I have seen.

And as far as ignoring links goes, I guess we will never know what I will do until somebody posts some.

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Reply #65 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 9:08pm

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Cusance wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
JoBee wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
...........I have never been one to say Flight will become FS11, in fact I have acknowledged just the opposite.

I do believe if there ever is a FS11 it will grow out of the core of Flight and not FSX, or at least I hope so..........



You know, I have read and re-read these sentences and I still don't understand. Seems to me that you contradict yourself.

Let me clarify.

FSX grew out of FS9 which grew out of FS2k2 which grew out of FS2k...

This has led to a sim that is bogged down in old technology and does not take advantage of the hardware available today. FSX has some really good points but the FSX forum is full of people dealing with crashes, tweaking, upgrading hardware, etc. all in search of better performance.

It's time for a new start which means no backwards compatibility. For your FSX planes to work in FSNext ties us to that old technology.

It's not that I think Flight will turn in to FSNext, just that the technology for FSNext needs to come from Flight, or something else, and not FSX.

Cusance wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 3:12pm:
By the way as a matter of genuine interest, what is it about Flight that you find so good? maybe I missed something.


A lot of things. I will start by saying that I am a low and slow, GA flyer. I acknowledge a lot of what I will describe won't matter to some, but you asked what I like.

I am able to use autogen (trees and buildings) levels in Flight that would bring FSX to it's knees.

Unlike the highly inaccurate coastlines in FSX, what you see in Flight is almost identical to what you see in Google Earth.

There are not any animated waves crashing on the beach in Flight, but I never liked the rectangular animated waves in MSFS anyway.

There seems to be great advances in how Flight renders lighting and shadows. As an example, you taxi up to a building in FSX at night with your taxi/landing lights on and not only does the light not illuminate the building, you can see the light splash on the ground on the other side of the building. In Flight your landing light show up on the buildings and trees just like when you pull up to your house at night with your car lights on.

While some of the clouds in Flight are not good the fog is head and shoulders above anything I have seen in MSFS.

Multi-player in Flight is amazingly simple. With the requirement of being hooked up to Live you are always in multi-player. There are 3 setting...Private, if you want to fly alone, not in multi-player, or you can invite people to join you...Friends, you create a Friends list and only they are allowed in your session,..and Public, you are the host and the Live servers will send people to your session. The host controls weather and time of day, and  has the ability to boot people that don't "play nice".

Or you can do a "Quick Match" and the Live servers will send you to random sessions and you stay if you want, or move to another one.

In MSFS the wind blows, ...period. In Flight the wind is affected by the terrain.

The biggest thing about Flight that I like is hard to quantify, but in all the previous versions of MSFS I have always felt like I was sitting still and the scenery was moving around me. Flight gives me more of the sensations I have experienced while flying in real planes.

My second biggest like of Flight is the possibilities for the future. Unlike previous versions of MSFS which were finished, printed on CDs, and sold, then patched and sometimes patched again Flight's development is ongoing and when a fix is needed it will be installed automatically without any action needed by the end-user. There is no way for us to screw it up. If they do add something like ATC I suspect you will simply start Flight one day and it will be there, simple.

I could go on but I have other things that I need to do, so until tomorrow...

cheers,
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Reply #66 - Mar 27th, 2012 at 10:19pm

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JoBee wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
andy190 wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
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You state that FS11 "is exactly what MS does not want to do" and I don't know how you can state Microsoft's future plans when even they won't.



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If returning to Flight Simulator makes sense again sometime in the future, I am confident that Microsoft would not ignore that possibility, but it’s not something that is being actively considered today.
Tongue

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I think the reason people don't give me links is because they can't, they are making statements based on guesses and opinions and I will be happy to eat crow if and when necessary.


So your saying people who don't like Flight are just making up what their saying. Spoken like a true Politician Joe.

"I don't like what their saying so it's not true."

We do have links but you would just ignore them.


Wow, I have now been called a troll and a politician, at least I haven't stooped to calling people names yet.

Andy I am not putting words into anyone's mouth, I am trying to understand how people can say they were mislead about Flight  based on what I have seen.

And as far as ignoring links goes, I guess we will never know what I will do until somebody posts some.

regards,
Joe



Unless somebody else called you a troll and I missed it, nobody has called you a troll.
There is a big difference in saying someone has the feeling they are being trolled, and outright calling someone a troll. Having a feeling means one is not committed to the position, and the mind is yet to be made on the subject.
Neither is saying someone speaks like a true politician, the same as directly calling them a politician. I can say "that orange ball looks just like a real orange", yet I am not calling it an orange.
Now then, seeing has the rest of this quadruple post streak seems to be directed primarily at other peoples posts, I'll leave the rest up to them.
 

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Reply #67 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 12:19am

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JoBee wrote on Mar 27th, 2012 at 7:53pm:
andy190 wrote on Mar 26th, 2012 at 11:29pm:
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You state that FS11 "is exactly what MS does not want to do" and I don't know how you can state Microsoft's future plans when even they won't.



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If returning to Flight Simulator makes sense again sometime in the future, I am confident that Microsoft would not ignore that possibility, but it’s not something that is being actively considered today.
Tongue

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I think the reason people don't give me links is because they can't, they are making statements based on guesses and opinions and I will be happy to eat crow if and when necessary.


So your saying people who don't like Flight are just making up what their saying. Spoken like a true Politician Joe.

"I don't like what their saying so it's not true."

We do have links but you would just ignore them.


Wow, I have now been called a troll and a politician, at least I haven't stooped to calling people names yet.

Andy I am not putting words into anyone's mouth, I am trying to understand how people can say they were mislead about Flight  based on what I have seen.

And as far as ignoring links goes, I guess we will never know what I will do until somebody posts some.

regards,
Joe


As Camel_Moe said there is a difference between saying someone speaks like a true politician & directly calling them a politician.

Also you only seem to care about official posts from MS & not emails that people like Cusance received.

I also like Flight but I like it as a game to relax for 5 minutes rather than for FS purposes.

And lastly you seem incapable of understanding that people will have different views to you.

You also seem to believe that everyone should like Flight as much as you do & you seem to think that if they don’t like Flight they are of a lower intelligence & should be treated as such.

This is just the way I am interpreting how you are acting.
 

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Reply #68 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 1:46am

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Sorry guys, I was trying to be funny with the troll/politician comment. I guess I missed the mark on that one.

I don't care what you call me as long as it isn't 'late for dinner".

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Also you only seem to care about official posts from MS & not emails that people like Cusance received.


What e-mails?

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And lastly you seem incapable of understanding that people will have different views to you.

Not at all, in fact if you re-read the entire thread you will see that what I am looking for is where Microsoft misled the simming community into believing Flight was going to be anything more than what it is. I have never questioned anyone's views, only how they were formed.

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You also seem to believe that everyone should like Flight as much as you do & you seem to think that if they don’t like Flight they are of a lower intelligence & should be treated as such.

Where have I said anything remotely like that?

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This is just the way I am interpreting how you are acting.

Sorry, I guess.....I think you missed by a mile.

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Reply #69 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 1:50am

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For the emails:

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I also emailed some specific questions and some of those were picked up in their replies. It was stated several times that this game would appeal to novices and experienced flyers. This i consider was misleading. there is simply too much missing for the game to really appeal to the experienced simmer.
 

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Reply #70 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 2:01am

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JoBee wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 1:46am:
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You also seem to believe that everyone should like Flight as much as you do & you seem to think that if they don’t like Flight they are of a lower intelligence & should be treated as such.

Where have I said anything remotely like that?


Here:
JoBee wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 9:29am:
jetprop wrote on Mar 24th, 2012 at 4:59am:
Boikat wrote on Mar 23rd, 2012 at 7:57pm:
My ears might perk up when i see something along the lines of a freeware Buck Rogers Thunderfighter, a Last Starfighter Gunstar or a Mountain Banshee

Sadly enough there won't be any addon aircraft unless you count the ones by M$...

And you know this because you work for Microsoft, right?

This is a constructive thread about what is likely the first third party addon for Flight, please don't interrupt this conversation with lies and unknown facts.
thanks.

cheers,
Joe


This is from this thread: /yabb?num=1332544319
 

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Reply #71 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 3:06am

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Reply #72 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 2:16pm

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andy190 wrote on Mar 28th, 2012 at 1:50am:
For the emails:

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I also emailed some specific questions and some of those were picked up in their replies. It was stated several times that this game would appeal to novices and experienced flyers. This i consider was misleading. there is simply too much missing for the game to really appeal to the experienced simmer.

If cusance has e-mails from Microsoft regarding what Flight would and/or would not be, and wants to forward them to me, I will be happy to provide an e-mail address.
 

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Reply #73 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 6:47pm

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Wow, this is definitely a great discussion about stall characteristics in Flight...  Cheesy

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Reply #74 - Mar 28th, 2012 at 11:33pm

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Gravity is the number one cause of plane crashes.
The obvious solution is to make gravity illegal.
Congress however, keeps stalling the vote on the bill.
I am wary of taking my next flight untill they do.

Just sayin.... Cheesy Tongue
 

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