Simviation Forum - Does MF show any Improvement over FSX?

Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:06pm

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I downloaded the free version of Microsoft Flight followed by the Hawaii Package and the Maule M-7-260C Orion. I have since compared flying the Maule Orion in FSX to flying it in MF over and around Oahu. Apparently Microsoft sees MF as an improvement over FSX as they put it "developed from the ground up". I have a hard time believing this after comparing numerous MF and FSX screens over different parts of the Island.

The following are several screens that compare MF with FSX with the Maule approaching Diamondhead and flying over Hawaii International. You be the judge whether MF shows any improvement over FSX.

025 FSX - Diamondhead

032 MF - Diamondhead

015 FSX - Hawaii International

006 MF - Hawaii International

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Reply #1 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:30pm

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I don't use fsx anymore, so I really don't know... but in the interest of fairness, that's default fsx scenery?

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Reply #2 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:32pm

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Well I don't know... Huh

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When I fly around the Hawaiian Islands in my FS 2004 in my little Cessna 150, with my various installed scenery mesh, textures, etc, I see the Islands as being extremely mountainous, and undulating, and exciting to fly around, constantly weaving around the mountains, with a surprise around every corner....
...but in my new copy of Flight they are nowhere as hilly, or as exciting!
In fact in most places, they are almost flat...(and a bit boring!)!
The two Flight Sims just don't compare, regarding realistic Terrain detail!

I would much rather explore ALL the islands in my FS 2004... Kiss

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Flight is OK just for a change of flight; but for fun, and realism, my FSX, and especially my FS 2004, beat it for sure!

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Reply #3 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50pm

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Groundbound1 wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:30pm:

I don't use fsx anymore, so I really don't now... but in the interest of fairness, that's default fsx scenery?

It isn't and I'm wondering what scenery that is aswell. Huh

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Reply #4 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm

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...one thing that I find surprising, is that Flight runs extremely smoothly with my lowly? P4 dual core, 2.8 GHz processor, 2GB system memory, and GE-Force 9500GT 1-GB Graphics card at maximum graphical settings, (even though it recommends that I run it at medium to low settings, with my existing hardware!).
So there must be some difference in the internal graphics programming/coding between Flight and FSX...(which runs extremely poorly on my hardware!).
Maybe the new Flight programming/coding is more efficient than the original Ace's FSX?

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Reply #5 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:16pm

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 4:13pm:

...one thing that I find surprising, is that Flight runs extremely smoothly with my lowly? P4 dual core, 2.8 GHz processor, 2GB system memory, and GE-Force 9500GT 1-GB Graphics card at maximum graphical settings, (even though it recommends that I run it at medium to low settings, with my existing hardware!).
So there must be some difference in the internal graphics programming/coding between Flight and FSX...(which runs extremely poorly on my hardware!).
Maybe the new Flight programming/coding is more efficient than the original Ace's FSX?

Paul... Wink

...!

Paul,

Perhaps it's due to the lack of other features in Flight at this point (AI, ATC, dynamic weather, global scenery) that allows it to run so smoothly, where as with FSX those built in features draw resources from the CPU and GPU.

Honestly, I don't know why; I don't think I can even touch Flight. My computer is older than yours is!

(Make the 2.8 a 3.0, and remove one core... that's my box!)

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Reply #6 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:34pm

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I wonder, as we had so many problems running Ace's FSX programming on our hardware at the time, maybe the latest programmers have had a re-look at the program code again, and speeded and smoothed things up somewhat, in their edition of Flight?
We have often thought that maybe Aces rushed the FSX program out a bit too quickly, when a little delay, and re-think regarding the coding, may have improved things somewhat and caused less frustration and heartache?
Perhaps Flight programmers have picked up on it, and improved the programming?
It would be nice if that were the case..

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Reply #7 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:25pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:06pm:

I downloaded the free version of Microsoft Flight followed by the Hawaii Package and the Maule M-7-260C Orion. I have since compared flying the Maule Orion in FSX to flying it in MF over and around Oahu. Apparently Microsoft sees MF as an improvement over FSX as they put it "developed from the ground up". I have a hard time believing this after comparing numerous MF and FSX screens over different parts of the Island.

The following are several screens that compare MF with FSX with the Maule approaching Diamondhead and flying over Hawaii International. You be the judge whether MF shows any improvement over FSX.

025 FSX - Diamondhead
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330859820.jpg

032 MF - Diamondhead
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330867196.jpg

015 FSX - Hawaii International
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330875993.jpg

006 MF - Hawaii International
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330902516.jpg

First off, Flight is visually far improved over FSX. I know this because all during development, I did the comparison screenshots each month with default FSX, max settings, and matching weather.

Second, there is a problem with your screenshots. You are using add-ons in FSX and different weather settings. (specifically in the final shot.) Please tell me how in the world this is supposed to show the true improvement? Comparing default to default is a comparison...comparing add-ons to default is not.

What I would like to see are pure default comparisons between FSX and Flight. Obviously, if you have Flight DLC content, that is alright to use, as it only adds locations and planes. But adding stuff to FSX that changes the way the sim actually looks isn't a good comparison.

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Reply #8 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:33pm

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Yeah, I didn't think that was default FSX, so you really can't compare the two. On the other hand though, atleast we can improve, and add to FSX, if we were so inclined... Undecided

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Reply #9 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:40pm

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How can I make a flight from My country to Hawaii , Brandon? where are the jets ? what kind of improvements? , Graphics ? I think the Guys that work in that software did not realize what software they would be compare too ,they did never saw FSX

Its Better the Flight Ace's FSX Photos and

valid

from the Flight because one simple reason ,

FLIGHT WILL NEVER ACCEPT PHOTO TERRAINS

we will be at the will of what M$ wants no third party.. the deal is FSX still the best and we can add photos terrains ,airports airplanes EVEN starships

Its Literally like compare a House it the whole New York City ,Its INSANE TO DEAR TO SAY FLIGHT ITS BETTER THAN FSX

Its should be rude and unpolite to the world 's intelligence to even dear to compare FSX which is a complete World Simulator with a game of 1 island With Propellers aircraft I consider Offensive to my intelligence

this whole thing of this software came to replace M$ previews version Do they really belive their own bull $**s??

.how long will it last the watter improvements? the terrain improvements? do you think Flight will last ,I will give 6 month before every ones gets bored and even delete it from their computers

I still enjoy FSX and not because of the airplanes , its because FSX renew it self, Its a serious Simulator for grown ups persons , for people that wants and dream to built Prototypes as XPAND does, or me making my little models around Or PMDG making almost realistic commercial aircraft ,this is something Flight will never have .. (if it survive the next 6 months)

Important ,I'm not saying that Flight Its a bad game, But is not a Simulator ,its something else ,It has a nice textures ,landscapes as Ive seen i your pics, what really impressme that do you still compare FSX with the Flight, Do u think the Moon and the Sun can be compared ?

also they should be in every Forum paying attention because from what I see I Google error code 8007000D and its very common right now among many many users and

there is no answer to this terrible issue that thousands myself included are having ,I just finished again for the 4th time still that issue ,the same computer that had Beta Flight with everything exactly they put right in here,

No a single feedback in many forums about this ,or fix

this is the Error Log

Logging Started: 03/03/2012 19:57:37
EXE: C:\Archivos de programa\Microsoft Games for Windows - LIVE\Client\GFWLClient.exe (3.5.50.0)
DLL: C:\WINDOWS\system32\xliveinstall.dll (3.2.6.0)
Source Folder: C:\Archivos de programa\Microsoft Games for Windows - LIVE\Client
OS v5.1 Service Pack 3 (build 2600) 32 bit
OS Product Type: 0x00000000
User Default LCID: 0x0409
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(19:57:37) Installing C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab to C:\Archivos de programa. Flags: 0x00000007
(19:57:38) Stage 0: Start
(19:57:38) Stage 0: Finished
(19:57:38) Scanned C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab. Size: 1532133145. Count 0 [Code:0x00000001]
(19:57:38) Extracted manifest from C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab to C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extAE5D.tmp\Content [Code:0x00000000]
(19:57:38) Parsed C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extAE5D.tmp\Content\ChainInstall.xml from C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extAE5D.tmp\Content [Code:0x00000000]
(19:57:38) Extracted EULAs [Code:0x8007000d]
(19:57:38) Stage 1: Error. Reason:Install [Code:0x8007000d] Msg:
(19:57:38) Stage 1: Error. Reason:Generic 1 [Code:0x8007000d] Msg:
(19:57:38) InstallProduct exit [Code:0x8007000d]
(19:57:45) Installing C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab to C:\Archivos de programa. Flags: 0x00000007
(19:57:45) Stage 0: Start
(19:57:45) Stage 0: Finished
(19:57:45) Scanned C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab. Size: 1532133145. Count 0 [Code:0x00000001]
(19:57:45) Extracted manifest from C:\Documents and Settings\Alex\Configuración local\Datos de programa\Microsoft\GFWLive\Downloads\EA2CCA3391C0088731FE638820AAE1E665143B3E_76
E46592-2EAE-44D5-B121-EB428F08C5F8_1.cab to C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extCD3F.tmp\Content [Code:0x00000000]
(19:57:45) Parsed C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extCD3F.tmp\Content\ChainInstall.xml from C:\DOCUME~1\Alex\CONFIG~1\Temp\extCD3F.tmp\Content [Code:0x00000000]
(19:57:46) Extracted EULAs [Code:0x8007000d]
(19:57:46) Stage 1: Error. Reason:Install [Code:0x8007000d] Msg:
(19:57:46) Stage 1: Error. Reason:Generic 1 [Code:0x8007000d] Msg:
(19:57:46) InstallProduct exit

this guy its broke ,there's nothing we can swezze from him abort abort now

[Code:0x8007000d]

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ok I add the red one

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Reply #10 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:53pm

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Alex I agree with you completely. Wink

Brandon, while comparing default to default would be better this shows one of the many flaws of Flight. FSX is open to third-party development while Flight isn't.

Flight isn't a Flight Simulator.

If it was it should support all of the different types of aircraft which it doesn't.

Also a Flight Sim should have the whole world which Flight doesn't.

So if you think Flight is better that FSX then you’re either in denial or mad.

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Reply #11 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:13pm

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Hit the nail on the head Alex.

Also, the scenery is MegaSceneryX Hawaii.

ViperPilot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 5:16pm:

Perhaps it's due to the lack of other features in Flight at this point (AI, ATC, dynamic weather, global scenery) that allows it to run so smoothly, where as with FSX those built in features draw resources from the CPU and GPU.

Mmmm, I think your right.

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Reply #12 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 8:55pm

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LOL : the software can find himself

http://www.petenetlive.com/KB/Article/0000359.htm

http://social.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/genuinewindows7/thread/8e047dc1-ddfc-47...

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Reply #13 - Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 11:39pm

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BrandonF wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 6:25pm:

Flight Ace wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 3:06pm:

I downloaded the free version of Microsoft Flight followed by the Hawaii Package and the Maule M-7-260C Orion. I have since compared flying the Maule Orion in FSX to flying it in MF over and around Oahu. Apparently Microsoft sees MF as an improvement over FSX as they put it "developed from the ground up". I have a hard time believing this after comparing numerous MF and FSX screens over different parts of the Island.

The following are several screens that compare MF with FSX with the Maule approaching Diamondhead and flying over Hawaii International. You be the judge whether MF shows any improvement over FSX.

025 FSX - Diamondhead
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330859820.jpg

032 MF - Diamondhead
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330867196.jpg

015 FSX - Hawaii International
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330875993.jpg

006 MF - Hawaii International
http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1330902516.jpg

First off, Flight is visually far improved over FSX. I know this because all during development, I did the comparison screenshots each month with default FSX, max settings, and matching weather.

Second, there is a problem with your screenshots. You are using add-ons in FSX and different weather settings. (specifically in the final shot.) Please tell me how in the world this is supposed to show the true improvement? Comparing default to default is a comparison...comparing add-ons to default is not.

What I would like to see are pure default comparisons between FSX and Flight. Obviously, if you have Flight DLC content, that is alright to use, as it only adds locations and planes. But adding stuff to FSX that changes the way the sim actually looks isn't a good comparison.

BrandonF,

I enjoy flying the new Microsoft Flight especially nap-of-the-earth.. The scenery is visually improved over the FSX default scenery developed over five years ago. I would expect nothing less than something developed today to be better than its five year old predecessor.

Remember FSX is the tenth version of Microsoft's popular line of Flight Simulators. It was released on October 17, 2006. As a part of that release, Microsoft opened their FSX code allowing outside Software Contractors to develop and sell add-on improvements. These improvements include GEX, UTX, REX, Photo-real Scenery and many other complimentary packages including Aircraft. As a result FSX has changed considerably from its release date. Today it is a very robust, dynamic, and realistic Flight Simulator when applying the improvements developed over the years.

You asked me to please tell you, and I quote, "how in the world this is supposed to show the true improvement?" When you compare FM to FSX, it is both FM and FSX this date (Today) not FM today with FSX over five years ago.

The screens I posted compare FSX today with Microsoft Flight today.

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Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2012 at 2:15am

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Before I start:

Brandon stated "What I would like to see are pure default comparisons between FSX and Flight. Obviously, if you have Flight DLC content, that is alright to use, as it only adds locations and planes. But adding stuff to FSX that changes the way the sim actually looks isn't a good comparison. "

Seriously, I respect you defending what you like BUT we must compare to what we have NOW and what we can replace it WITH to make an informed decision.

You expecting us to compare a 2006 default to a current to make that choice, when hell we don't even have access to international areas is just insane Angry

I believe most choose FSX above MS Flight because no MS Flight user can fly in & take a realistic looking screenshot like most FSX users can in FSX.

Therefore one cannot compare FSX with MS Flight.

The one is a game and the other a pure bred & well expanded simulator.

However,

It just shows that Flight, besides that it is a game, cannot offer the visual and realistic experience FSX can offer and NEVER will due to MS intent to avoid 3rd party development.

As for performance, OF COURSE flight will perform all nice and wacky. It has NO AI, NO ATC and it is one tiny bubble you fly in.

Very little in that bubble compared to FSX.

Add all that to Flight and we talk again about performance. Looks like MS's intent to ellude "gamers" that flight is smoother then FSX worked well.

Please do not get me wrong, I would have used flight if it was a simulator and PLEASE do not tell me it is.

NO AI.
NO wider selection of AC.
NO choice of "where to fly"

Quite frankly, products like P3D will likely become the future follow up to FSX.

P.S: Please make it a rule that screenshots of MS Flight may only be posted where we post pictures of OTHER non simulator screenshot posts eg. the likes of COD etc. Roll Eyes

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