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Feb 10
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, 2012 at 5:12pm
Raoul98
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How is the future of simv looking when flight is released?? Can you make repaints for the default or can you make models? Is the future of simv like doomsday?
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Feb 10
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If flight does not support third party add-ons, like it seems it will not, most dedicated sim pilots will continue using FSX, FS9, and any other sim that does. I would expect simviation and other similar sites to carry on supporting FSX and FS9 for quite a long time.
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Feb 10
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The question is: Is there a demand for Computer Flight Simulation?
If so - SimV will exist until that demand dries up.
The real question would be
'The future of MS Flight'
Think Global. It's the world we live in.
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Feb 10
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Please notice that there are plenty of people here still using FS2004. Heck... there are still people using the FS98 section.
Flight or no Flight....... SimV is on solid ground.
best,
........john
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Feb 10
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I would bet that FSX, FS9 will go the same way that Microsoft Train Simulator has. That was a 2002 release, not really expanded in any way by Microsoft, but sustained by enthusiasts and third-party payware and lots-and-lots of freeware. It's only just now winding down because it's gone out of print, no longer to be found in the bargain bins and online auction sites. Flight will certainly have third-party add-ins, but they'll have to be vetted and "monetized" via Microsoft's LIVE, much like the Steam business model. And also just like the Train Simulator web sites, enthusiasts will keep SimV going for a long, long time.
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Feb 10
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How do you know that Flight will have third party? From what I've heard there won’t be any third party & the add-ons will all be controlled by Microsoft.
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Feb 10
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Gosh!
,you took me what I was going to enjoy to say... the question should be what will be the future of M$
"FRAUD"
I mean M$ "FLIGHT"?
there's a lot of living years ahead for FSX ,
and more of Simv
Alex
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Feb 10
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, 2012 at 9:57pm
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I agree with you Alex, FSX has a good future & so does Simv.
BTW Happy Birthday for yesterday.
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Feb 11
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Indeed it will live on. And i almost have fs2004 on pc so simv has enough visitors, i think!!!
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Feb 11
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, 2012 at 5:00am
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My only slight worry is that at some time, the supply of original copies of FSX will slowly dry-up, together with MS Support.
FS 2004 is becoming more and more difficult to source, and copies of FS 2002 and earlier are practically non existent now!
Unless someone else takes up the publishing and distribution of the MS Flight Sims, I fear that the familiar jewel cases will disappear from the game shop shelves!
My pristine copies of FS '98, 2000, 2002, 2004, FSX, and CFS 2/3, are locked safely away, and treated like gold dust!
As long as we still have access to the original MS Flight Sims, Sim V, etc, will continue to thrive, I'm sure!
Paul....
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Feb 11
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that is true fozzer
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Feb 11
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"MS Flight".......like a fart on the wind, it'll smell bad for a minute....then it'll be gone
Chuck.....sticking to FSX
"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth and danced the skies on laughter silvered wings. Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun split clouds.....and done a hundred things you have never dreamed of.....wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence. Hovering there, I've chased the shouting wind along and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delerious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace where never Lark, nor even Eagle flew. While with silent lifting of mind I've trod the high untrespassed sanctity of space, put out my hand and touched the face of god"
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Feb 11
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I must say, I have a lot of sympathy for the actual programmers of "Flight" when they read the various forums with the disparaging remarks regarding their best efforts at producing a new flight simulator.
It must be very disappointing.
I suspect that they are working under strict instructions regarding the overall specification, and have little choice in the end result.
The Boss is in charge!...
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Paul...waiting to see what it is like when its finished..
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Feb 11
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Fozzer wrote
on Feb 11
th
, 2012 at 1:40pm:
I must say, I have a lot of sympathy for the actual programmers of "Flight" when they read the various forums with the disparaging remarks regarding their best efforts at producing a new flight simulator.
It must be very disappointing.
I suspect that they are working under strict instructions regarding the overall specification, and have little choice in the end result.
The Boss is in charge!...
..!
Paul...waiting to see what it is like when its finished..
...!
Excellent point, Paul.
I would imagine that the main decisions on
Flight
were made by the Vice President of Profits.
best,
...................john
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Feb 11
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, 2012 at 6:33pm
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JBaymore wrote
on Feb 11
th
, 2012 at 5:38pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Feb 11
th
, 2012 at 1:40pm:
I must say, I have a lot of sympathy for the actual programmers of "Flight" when they read the various forums with the disparaging remarks regarding their best efforts at producing a new flight simulator.
It must be very disappointing.
I suspect that they are working under strict instructions regarding the overall specification, and have little choice in the end result.
The Boss is in charge!...
..!
Paul...waiting to see what it is like when its finished..
...!
Excellent point, Paul.
I would imagine that the main decisions on
Flight
were made by the Vice President of Profits.
best,
...................john
Maybe we can get some of those talented programmers to make a piece of freeware for FS9 or 10. It would be good therapy for them..
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
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Feb 11
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DaveSims wrote
on Feb 10
th
, 2012 at 5:38pm:
If flight does not support third party add-ons, like it seems it will not, most dedicated sim pilots will continue using FSX, FS9, and any other sim that does. I would expect simviation and other similar sites to carry on supporting FSX and FS9 for quite a long time.
I could not agree more. In my humble opinion, remove thir party programmers from the equation is a major step in order to direct people to look elsewhere for a flight simulator program. If that will be the case, I am one of those who will stay with FSX. After all, more then 80% of "my" airplanes are third part software. (I really do not see Microsoft as going to make the effort to present, for example, a Electra X or a Superconnie in Flight, now do we?)
Superconstellations Are hot, or what?
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Feb 13
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As I mentioned before; when you fly, you need someplace to fly TO. What is going to happen to all of the people out there who like to fly commercial jets? What about the bush pilot types? Military fighters? Rotorheads? Is there going to be ATC? Is there going to be any number of things that made FS so great? The lack of third party add-ons is a deal breaker for me, but it is far from the only problem Flight has to deal with before it can fill FSX's shoes.
As for the future of Simv, when the last simmer has shut down his PC and left the building, I get the feeling Pete will be the one to turn off the lights on the way out...
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Feb 13
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So long as Paul keeps cooking, there will always be topics created and life in SimV
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Feb 13
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Wing Nut wrote
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th
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I get the feeling Pete will be the one to turn off the lights on the way out...
Wow...Just wow, ....i seriously think you should be a writer...that was amazing
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Feb 13
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andy190 wrote
on Feb 10
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How do you know that Flight will have third party? From what I've heard there won’t be any third party & the add-ons will all be controlled by Microsoft.
One thing that Microsoft usually does very well is to line up developer support for its major projects, for all the right reasons. But like I said in my post, I would expect all third-party content to be available only via LIVE, with Microsoft getting a percentage of each and every sale. Apple does the same with its App Store. Other game developers have exclusive deals with Steam. I'm not so quick to get crazy angry like others and say that it's all evil. Too early to make a judgement. But you can just expect it, see it coming. That's the business model they want for Flight.
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Feb 15
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pete wrote
on Feb 10
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The question is: Is there a demand for Computer Flight Simulation?
If so - SimV will exist until that demand dries up.
Hope this will never happen! Amen!
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I would imagine that with the failure and disapointment with flight, there will be a renewed interest and some further private developement of FSX enhancements.
Personally, I wiil admiit that I have lost some interest with FSX due the the developement of flight.
However, now, FSX looks pretty damn good!
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Keep It Simple wrote
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However, now, FSX looks pretty damn good!
Heck.... fs2004 looks pretty darn good. In fact ... fs2002 looks good too.
best,
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Raoul, to answer your first question, Flight won't support third-party & you can't even make repaints of the default aircraft because it's all in binary code.
But, the more I see of Flight the brighter the future of Simv seems, because Flight isn’t a hard-core flight simulator, if it can be classed as a flight simulator at all.
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JBaymore wrote
on Feb 11
th
, 2012 at 5:38pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Feb 11
th
, 2012 at 1:40pm:
I must say, I have a lot of sympathy for the actual programmers of "Flight" when they read the various forums with the disparaging remarks regarding their best efforts at producing a new flight simulator.
It must be very disappointing.
I suspect that they are working under strict instructions regarding the overall specification, and have little choice in the end result.
The Boss is in charge!...
..!
Paul...waiting to see what it is like when its finished..
...!
Excellent point, Paul.
I would imagine that the main decisions on
Flight
were made by the Vice President of Profits.
best,
...................john
It is what happens when a product producer does not/cannot/not allowed to listen to the end user of said product. Look back at the "wish list" posts, have any of them been fullfilled.
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Well...
...
From my present observation of; "Flight" so far, I don't think any of our favourite Flight Sim sites have anything to worry about...
...!
The previous (and present) MS Flight Sims are, and will be, as popular now as they ever were!
I think the introduction of; "Flight", will give a new lease of life to our ever-popular Flight Sims;...FS '98, FS 2000, FS 2002, FS2004, CFS 2/3, and FSX!
Having been introduced to; "Flight", I suspect that many/most of the new Pilots will be interested in their new experience, and decide to migrate over to the "proper" MS Flight Simulators, and therefore boost our numbers!
So......It may be to our advantage!
Paul...FS 2004...
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now
there's
a non-corrosive positive perspective....
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And we also have to remember there are also other flight sims out there that are still developing and open source like
fly!Horizon
and the much better known flightgear. Xplane is also there
My point being that there are others that are also developing and that have so much potential. fsx is also being developed by us 3rd party developers who every year bring an improvement to the simulations.
Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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Yes hyperpep is right; there are some great free alternatives one of which I had never heard of.
But FSX is still being developed, IRIS are working on their F-22, Carenado are working on a 182 & will release their King Air at some point & All the freeware developers are still full steam ahead.
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