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Jan 12^th, 2012 at 3:56am

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This should make you both role your eyes.......
End of an "S" Roll Eyes

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Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:17am

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For me...its the end of the World, as I know it!... Cry

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Earl's Court Railway Station without an apostrophe would be sacrilege!... Angry

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Paul..The Keeper of the bag of Apostrophes/Apostrophe's (take your pick!)... Grin

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Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:21am

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Unbelievable! Especially bad form for a bookseller. What is the World coming to? Roll Eyes

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Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:35am

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I take it in the form that the property/business, upon which the sign is mounted, belongs to, and is owned by the family named "Waterstone"....

...therefore it is; Waterstone's...

Paul....I have a headache approaching... Wink

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Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:47am

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The history of ~~Waterstone's~~ Waterstones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterstone%27s

Note the article has already been updated.

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Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:54am

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What will become of St. James's Gate?

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Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 5:13am

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Webb wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:54am:

What will become of St. James's Gate?

That's under threat too. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4602491/Second-council-b...

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Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 5:15am

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Hagar wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:47am:

The history of ~~Waterstone's~~ Waterstones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterstone%27s

Note the article has already been updated.

And they have blocked any edit on the name too Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 6:44am

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Webb wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:54am:

What will become of St. James's Gate?

Pardon me, But isn't it supposed to be "St.James' Gate?

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Twitter users warn the change is another step towards the 'extinction' of the apostrophe

Since when was the apostrophe a species Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Jan 12^th, 2012 at 7:02am

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hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 6:44am:

Webb wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 4:54am:

What will become of St. James's Gate?

Pardon me, But isn't it supposed to be "St.James' Gate?

No. It refers to only one St. James.

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Reply #10 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 12:09am

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I have two teenage sisters who text me everyday and I am convinced their phones lack any sort of punctuation buttons, and certainly no form of spell check. Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:07am

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Needless to say he got no points for that piece and when he complained I did point out that the subject I was teaching was ENGLISH Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:23am

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BigTruck wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 12:09am:

I have two teenage sisters who text me everyday and I am convinced their phones lack any sort of punctuation buttons, and certainly no form of spell check. Roll Eyes

Thank God, I thought I was the only one. My youngest sisters (I am old enough to be their father) send me texts that I spend days trying work out what they mean. I have given up trying to follow some of their facebook conversation with their peers. You would need an Enigma machine to decode it Grin

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Reply #13 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:52am

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expat wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

BigTruck wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 12:09am:

I have two teenage sisters who text me everyday and I am convinced their phones lack any sort of punctuation buttons, and certainly no form of spell check. Roll Eyes

Thank God, I thought I was the only one. My youngest sisters (I am old enough to be their father) send me texts that I spend days trying work out what they mean. I have given up trying to follow some of their facebook conversation with their peers. You would need an Enigma machine to decode it Grin

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It's the other way around for me....I punctuate and spell out all of my texts, but my mum uses annoying abbreviations Tongue

I think taking the apostrophe away is OK in this case. The store no longer belongs to Mr Waterstone and so it is no longer Waterstone's. Instead each store is now one of many Waterstones.

If there's no more possession why keep a possessive apostrophe?

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Reply #14 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 2:07pm

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Mictheslik wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:52am:

expat wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:23am:

BigTruck wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 12:09am:

I have two teenage sisters who text me everyday and I am convinced their phones lack any sort of punctuation buttons, and certainly no form of spell check. Roll Eyes

Thank God, I thought I was the only one. My youngest sisters (I am old enough to be their father) send me texts that I spend days trying work out what they mean. I have given up trying to follow some of their facebook conversation with their peers. You would need an Enigma machine to decode it Grin

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It's the other way around for me....I punctuate and spell out all of my texts, but my mum uses annoying abbreviations Tongue

I think taking the apostrophe away is OK in this case. The store no longer belongs to Mr Waterstone and so it is no longer Waterstone's. Instead each store is now one of many Waterstones.

If there's no more possession why keep a possessive apostrophe?

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Funny you should say that. When I get a text from my dad, it is like getting a text from a geriatric Kevin Grin

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Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 2:42pm

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I love my monthly free allowance of sending text messages, courtesy of O2, via my PC...
I sit comfortably at my computer, and type in my text message appearing on the monitor screen, using my full-size, proper qwerty keyboard. It checks my spelling as I type....
...and allows me to edit it, and check it, before sending it to the recipient's mobile phone's number....
...whilst my real mobile phone sulks, unused, in the bottom drawer in my kitchen, amongst the washing powder and cleaning "stuff".

...joy!.... Smiley

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Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2012 at 5:51pm

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Mictheslik wrote on Jan 13^th, 2012 at 8:52am:

I think taking the apostrophe away is OK in this case. The store no longer belongs to Mr Waterstone and so it is no longer Waterstone's. Instead each store is now one of many Waterstones.

If there's no more possession why keep a possessive apostrophe?

In such case, why even retain the 's'?

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Reply #17 - Jan 15^th, 2012 at 10:14pm

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Seems to me, it would make more sense to reprogram the internet to accept punctuation in addresses. And it would be less expensive than repainting all the business and street signs the world over. But I'm just a retired cop, what do I know.

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Reply #18 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 3:33am

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patchz wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

Seems to me, it would make more sense to reprogram the internet to accept punctuation in addresses

Google already does that so it's not a valid excuse for removing the apostrophe. If Waterstone's wants to change its image it would surely be better to remove the last S as H already suggested.

To be honest I don't know what all the fuss is about. If you walk down what's left of a British high street you will notice lots of well-known national companies dispensed with the apostrophe years ago. Some, like Boots the chemists, never had one in the first place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_UK

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Reply #19 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 3:54am

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I always feel content when things; "look right"...

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Sometimes, in fact, unknown to me, I am wrong... Embarrassed

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...but that doesn't* change the way I feel!.. Kiss

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* ....If I had typed "does not", that would have saved an apostrophe!... Wink

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Reply #20 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 7:37am

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Fozzer wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 3:54am:

* ....If I had typed "does not", that would have saved an apostrophe!... Wink

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Save the apostrophe, murder an advertising executive, but I think that does not help the situation Grin

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Reply #21 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 9:17am

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Whilst we are on a similar subject, can someone explain to me the difference between the following statements...

"I should have got the earlier Bus"
"I should have gotten the earlier Bus"

"I should have got a loaf of Bread"
"I should have gotten a loaf of Bread"

...etc...

Got and Gotten?

Paul...I have got/gotten a nasty cold... Cry

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Reply #22 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 10:15am

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This might help. Got vs Gotten

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Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 11:18am

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Hagar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

This might help. Got vs Gotten

..a while ago @H did explain the subtle difference between the two words. "Gotten" in American did have a different meaning to "Got" in English. something to do with; "ownership" in the; "past"?

Got something v Gotten something....You have gotten "it" by some means!

...but I have forgotten... Undecided

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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 11:33am

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According to the tip from my link it should be perfectly straightforward. In American English gotten is the past participle of the verb get. Simple! Cool

I don't think too many Americans understand this. Perhaps they're as confused as we are. Wink

PS. Past participles ---> http://www.eslcafe.com/grammar/verb_forms_and_tenses10.html

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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 11:49am

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Ta, Doug...

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I have got a headache now.... Angry

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I had gotten a headache yesterday.... Cry

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Paul...so much pain in the head... Sad

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Reply #26 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 12:15pm

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some may have noticed i barely ever use capital letters while typing,i do while writing tough.

but if you see my cousin's facebook mesages. Shocked

even I can't decifer any more,let me post an equivalent:

ent 2 skol te oter dai,as brin.

litarly,its nearly impossible,i once spent 15 minutes trying to decifer a 3 line mesage from her. Grin

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Reply #27 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 1:41pm

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jetprop wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 12:15pm:

some may have noticed i barely ever use capital letters while typing,i do while writing tough.

but if you see my cousin's facebook mesages. Shocked

even I can't decifer any more,let me post an equivalent:

ent 2 skol te oter dai,as brin.

litarly,its nearly impossible,i once spent 15 minutes trying to decifer a 3 line mesage from her. Grin

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Reply #28 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm

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i know.

i just don't use them while typing because i keep pressing the ctrl key instead of the shift. Grin

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Reply #29 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 1:53pm

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jetprop wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

i know.

i just don't use them while typing because i keep pressing the ctrl key instead of the shift. Grin

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Reply #30 - Jan 16^th, 2012 at 1:54pm

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patchz wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 10:14pm:

And it would be less expensive than repainting all the business and street signs the world over.

Yes, but for sign-makers like myself business like this is a godsend. Name changes, logo changes (color and/or shape) mean $$$ to me. Last a year a company (shall remain unnamed) changed the color of their logo. I happen to make the vehicle graphics for said company and I received a goodly sum of $ to just make the graphics and send them to branch offices. If it weren't for this company I would have had a really bad year! Wink

The same goes for signs.

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Fozzer wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 9:17am:

Whilst we are on a similar subject, can someone explain to me the difference between the following statements...

"I should have got the earlier Bus"
"I should have gotten the earlier Bus"

"I should have got a loaf of Bread"
"I should have gotten a loaf of Bread"

...etc...

Got and Gotten?

Paul...I have got/gotten a nasty cold... Cry

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You can't always ~~got~~ get what you want, but if you try sometimes you ~~got~~ get what you need. Cheesy

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Reply #33 - Jan 17^th, 2012 at 5:13pm

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Hagar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

According to the tip from my link it should be perfectly straightforward. In American English gotten is the past participle of the verb get. Simple!

As you state... thus in eternal wedlock with the adverbial modifier (had/have).

Hagar wrote on Jan 16^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

I don't think too many Americans understand this. Perhaps they're as confused as we are.

Aye, but you were the progenitors of the confusion. This was your form of grammar at the time your North American colonies revolted; as I once told Foz, we didn't change it -- you did!

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