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Well.. Friday's the big day! The beginning of an epic journey. (Read 717 times)
Dec 28th, 2011 at 2:40am

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Hey guys, have posted in a while but believe me I've been reading and 'eye-balling' per-say as much as well.. A SimV forum fanatic? Aside with the corny introductions, this Friday I will be entering the actual world of aviation; starting flying lessons. I've met the instructor many times and we've sat down and had our chit chats in the wonderful Midfield Cafe(in Nashua Airport) as the sounds of multiple plane engines take control of our eardrums. He's a great guy, and we've scheduled for two hours this week(I received 6 purchased hours of lessons as a Christmas gift, waiting to be taken advantage of). I'll be taking my lessons(all the way to a PPL luckily) in a beautiful 1982 Cessna 152. I will never forget the day(how could I? It was 3 days ago! Grin) when he handed me that manual; I was speechless. But anyways, I'm just curious what everyone thinks and if anyone has any tips as to what I should know/do beforehand and such.

Alright, you all take care

-Jake Bourdon
 

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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 4:04am

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Well Done!... Smiley...!

..and you are  training in my favourite little aircraft!

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/OO-LVJ.html

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http://www.airnav.com/airport/kash
 

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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 5:10am

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Hi Jake! That's great news! A good instructor is all it takes to et you through the course and it helps to have the same good instructor throughout.

Looking forward to hearing how it all goes!  Cool
 

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Reply #3 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 6:07am

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Wonderful news Jake... Wink

Keep us informed as to your progress and above all else...have fun learning... Wink
 

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 9:30pm

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I'm stoked that all of you are happily supporting me Smiley I can assure you all that I'll keep ya updated Wink I greatly appreciate the excitement and support that you're all giving me, thanks a lot  Cool

-Jake
 

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Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 9:32pm

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No kidding! Well how about that, what a great coincidence Smiley Although it isn't even close to the real thing, I've been flying Carenado's C152 non-stop and can honestly say that I'm in love with it  Cool

-Jake
Fozzer wrote on Dec 28th, 2011 at 4:04am:
Well Done!... Smiley...!

..and you are  training in my favourite little aircraft!

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/OO-LVJ.html

Paul.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/kash

 

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Reply #6 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 11:51pm

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I got 2 years before I want to get my PPL! Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 28th, 2011 at 11:57pm

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FSX_Dude wrote on Dec 28th, 2011 at 11:51pm:
I got 2 years before I want to get my PPL! Wink


Very nice Smiley Hope those 2 years come as fast as you want them to Smiley

-Jake
 

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Reply #8 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 3:49am

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Money was, and partly still is, the only reason why I've not gone for my PPL. I'm currently waiting to go to university before I can look at getting flying lessons (which, all going well, will be with the RAF as part of their opportunities for students and budding service-people)


It says on your profile that you're 16 years old - Which is ideal and yet dreadful. It's good that you should hopefully have a moderate work load at school/college/whatever you're doing, but it's also a pretty bad age for getting a job. I was fortunate to get my first job at age 17!

Flying is seriously expensive. Look towards getting part time employment to help pay for the training - Remember, your lessons don't stop when you become qualified... You must fly regularly enough to remain proficient and to become a constantly better pilot. Work may exist in your local area as a waiter (great fun!) or in other catering areas. Paper rounds, etc, are also a good source of income.


The more money you have, the better things will be. Plus, women dig a rich pilot  Wink
 

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Reply #9 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 6:47am

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machineman9 wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 3:49am:
......The more money you have, the better things will be. Plus, women dig a rich pilot  Wink


Beware... Shocked....

..they also dig a big hole in your Bank Balance!... Wink... Wink...!

....Priorities!... Grin... Grin...!

Paul.... Cool...!

As Machine Man says, flying is awfully expensive. You need a well-paid, regular, back-up job, to pay for it all!
 

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Reply #10 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 7:30am

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I've been spending an enjoyable couple of days sim flying around your location in New Hampshire, and feeling quite at-
home amongst all the many English-sounding towns and airfields in my little Cessna 150 Aerobat!
An interesting area, with lots of inland water, including Float-plane landing strips.
I'm suddenly feeling quite at-home!


http://www.airnav.com/airport/kash


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Reply #11 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 7:14pm

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Tips/advice? OK...
1) Have fun.
2)Don't expect your flight sim skills to transfer directly to the real thing, and be patient with yourself if the reality of this frustrates you (as it most certainly will).
3) Remember always that your instructor and flight school are working for YOU. Make sure you're getting what you're paying for; know what the minimum requirements are for the PPASEL check ride; question (respectfully) any "extra" dual or review work, etc. And if for some reason the school or CFI "disses" you, don't be afraid to change schools mid-stream. DO NOT PAY FOR LARGE CHUNKS OF INSTRUCTION AHEAD OF TIME, FOR THIS VERY REASON. Screw the discount...more than one young student has shown up for a lesson after plunking down thousands of $$, only to find that the school has closed down. And good luck getting your money back. In general, these deposits are not refundable, even if you decide to leave the school for some other reason. Pay as you go, and make good use of the time you're paying for... it's a better way to go.
4) As a personal favor to this old pre-GPS pilot, make sure your instructor teaches you how to navigate primarily with compass, clock and chart, and make sure he or she knows the difference between ground speed and airspeed (many do not).
5) you may, in ground school, hear some stuff about Bernoulli, Coanda, or Newton. The FAA likes to have you memorize this nonsense, but rest assured, it's all lies. the thing that keeps a wing in the air is money!  Wink
6) HAVE FUN!!!  Grin
 

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Reply #12 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 7:29pm

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An addendum... where I will specifically cite the mistakes I made training for my PPASEL.

-If you show up for a lesson only to find it's been scratched out of the book so another CFI could take the plane, and nobody noticed or bothered to call you, cry foul. Loudly. If it happens twice, or if your lesson is cancelled with no heads-up more than once, find a different school (and explain why: THEY WORK FOR YOU)

-If the school tells you that you have to do your official supervised solo again because they "lost the paperwork", tell them to make a copy of the flight entry and instructor's endorsement found in your logbook. If that is not good enough for them, tell them you will do the solo again on their dime, or you will go to another school (and explain why: THEY WORK FOR YOU).

-If CFI turnover is so rapid at your school that you find yourself on your 3rd instructor in less than a year, before you fly with the new CFI, ask them what the outgoing CFI has told them about your progress, to minimize and make best use of any review dual they will want to do with you. If they shrug and say "he didn't tell me anything", find a different school (and explain why: THEY WORK FOR YOU).

If you find a tool or rag inside or on top of the cowling during your preflight more than once, find another school (and explain why: THEY WORK FOR YOU).

They want your money. Some of them might also want to teach you to be a safe and competent pilot, but one thing all instructors and schools want is your money. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you are getting what you're paying for.  You should be content that your money is being used wisely, or they will not get any more money from you. Remind them of this as often as you find necessary.
 

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Reply #13 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 9:55pm

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Fortunately I do have a job, although it's at a super market it's good enough. I earn a decent amount(enough to pay for lessons). Also, both my father and I have met with the instructor plenty of times and thank god he seems like a great guy. He's a retired ATP(like most are) & gives pretty good bargains(total, the lessons are $130 a piece, he charges $40 and the plane is $90) I've also been spending a lot of time talking with Private Pilots who took the courses with him and they extremely highly recommend him, as they say he's a low-cost extraordinaire. Although there could be some "catches" I'm pretty sure my parents and I have made a good choice Wink

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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 2:44am

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How could we be anything less than supportive? :0) Aviation is a wonderful thing, I wish more people would try it.
As far as Beaky goes, I think he's nailed it on the head. Always pay as you go, and remember that the instructor is working for you. You can always request a new Instructor if the one you're with just isn't working for you, I know as an Instructor, I would not want to be the reason my student failed, haha.
Aside from that, your sim experience probably isn't going to translate into actual flying ability, although it will give you a good working knowledge of what things are.  The biggest thing to remember when flying VFR, getting your PPL, is to LOOK OUTSIDE, haha. Something we often forget about when simming.
For myself, when I ran into problems that my instructor just couldn't fix, I got inventive. For instance, I almost failed to go solo (which would have been a problem, since I was in a rather strict college program), because I kept missing things on the radio. I found the radio to be overwhelming in my inexperience. My instructor had told me that I'd have to figure it out before I went solo (and if I couldn't get soloed by a certain time, as per program rules, I would be involuntarily withdrawn). I turned to liveatc.net, and would pick a call sign at a busy tower, and just listen for that call sign. I'd try to keep up with the various conversations, and at some point, it just all clicked, haha. Another problem I had was with the checklist, not so much memorizing, but timely application, ie speed. That's when I got really creative. I would play FSX and do circuits at my airport while reciting the various checks from memory for the appropriate places in the circuit, as well, I'd practice reciting emergency memory checklists while throwing a tennis ball at the wall, and proceeding to catch it, that was to work on multi-tasking. Today, I've also amassed a small library of aviation books, haha, and I frequent aviation theory and question based facebook pages quite often.
Other people have been saying how expensive flying is and such, and that's true, but I would recommend looking into government subsidized programs, just see if any exist. Here in Canada, there are a few, 3 in Ontario alone. The flying is fully paid by the government (students are required to pay tuition, and since all three are colleges, that's not outrageous, and you get a diploma from two of the three, the third one offers a degree) and there aren't any catches, I didn't have to join the Canadian Air Force after graduating. I also didn't just get my PPL. In the 3 year, diploma program I was in, I received (in order), my student pilot permit, PPL, Night Rating, CPL, Multi-Engine Rating, Group 1 IFR. So, something like that may be worth looking into, just see if it exists in your country.
Any how, best of luck to you in your future flying endeavours, and remember to have fun.
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Reply #15 - Dec 30th, 2011 at 5:20am

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It was interesting noting Doug's reference to Air Traffic Control....
In my FS 2004 sim I manage my flights very well, in full control at all times, admiring all the scenery around me, happy as a Sandboy .....until...my Radio suddenly bursts into life, with scrambled instructions from ATC in my headset, aimed at ME!
It always catches me by surprise, and I am not ready for it, missing out most of the instructions in a strange accent, buried amongst all the Radio background mush, and not being able to write them down quickly on my knee-board and concentrate on flying at the same time!

Panic!

ATC will only tolerate me with my request.."Say Again"...before they get really annoyed with me!

It is a fact that I constantly have problems with keeping up with all the Radio Chatter, especially in a highly active area!
Each sudden radio burst, when I am not ready for it, seems to explode in my brain and I miss most of it...."Say Again"!

Its bad enough with the "clear" chatter in the Sim, but in my few, Cessna 150/152 real aircraft flights, with all the background aircraft nose, combined with all the Radio background mush during a sudden, explosive Radio broadcast, its even more confusing...to me!
My brain has difficulty in taking it all in, and remembering all the very important details of the instructions aimed at me.
Its all too easy to acknowledge back the instruction without REALLY noting it in detail!
The Flight Sim ATC Radio chatter can be a bit confusing at times....BUT...The Radio chatter in the real aircraft with everything else going on, noise, etc, can be overwhelming when trying to take it all in, and fully understand it!

I reckon a lot of practice with real Radio communication is probably very necessary during the lessons.

When listening to the explosive, Live ATC Radio Chatter* on the computer, I have great difficulty in understanding most of it!... Cry....!

(Try to remember EVERYTHING that "ATIS" has thrown at you without writing it down!)... Shocked...!

Paul.... Smiley...!

...and did I mention that the Radio Headset also makes my ears uncomfortably hot, as well!
... Wink...!

* http://www.liveatc.net/  see how much of this you can fully comprehend!

P.S...something else which is also difficult to get my head around!.... Wink....METAR's...>>>
KOAK METAR Weather: KOAK 300953Z 00000KT 1/4SM FG VV003 11/11 A3017 RMK AO2 SLP217 T01060106
KOAK Flight Activity (FlightAware)
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That's exactly what happened to me Paul, way back in my ab-initio days, haha. And I didn't really even learn in a hectic environment. There are guys and girls out there learning in some very busy airspace, I don't know how they do it, haha. But you make an excellent point about writing stuff down, haha. You should always try to write everything important down. Every clearance, every ATIS, and that way, you don't have to remember it. It'll seem hard at first as well, but you'll eventually form your own style of short hand writing, and that will make it a lot easier. As for deciphering METARs and TAFs, they usually have a Raw text form (like the one you posted Paul), and they have a plain text one (in English for the rest of us, haha). So that METAR below, to me, says that it's a beautiful morning... that is, if you wanted to fly into the side of a mountain or something. Funny enough, my local airport is experiencing similar weather.
METAR CYKF 301700Z AUTO 12004KT 090V150 1/4SM FG VV002 00/M00 A2979
RMK SLP099=
 
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Jake Bourdon wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 9:55pm:
Fortunately I do have a job, although it's at a super market it's good enough. I earn a decent amount(enough to pay for lessons). Also, both my father and I have met with the instructor plenty of times and thank god he seems like a great guy. He's a retired ATP(like most are) & gives pretty good bargains(total, the lessons are $130 a piece, he charges $40 and the plane is $90) I've also been spending a lot of time talking with Private Pilots who took the courses with him and they extremely highly recommend him, as they say he's a low-cost extraordinaire. Although there could be some "catches" I'm pretty sure my parents and I have made a good choice Wink

-Jake

Aha, so this guy is a "lone wolf" CFI? That's good, if he and the plane are available whenever you want them.
  That rate is not bad: the instructor rate is a bit high, but the airplane rate is lower than average.
  Being a retired ATP doesn't necessarily make him a good teacher, but the fact that he's doing this in his retirement means he at least enjoys it. Nobody with that much flying experience would do primary instruction just for money... not worth it.  Grin

Be sure to ask about insurance... you may find you have some liability, even if his insurer knows he's giving instruction in this plane. For example, you're taxiing for your first solo, and you bump into some nice million-dollar airplane on the ramp, and break it. Think you can pay for that out of your pocket?

Fortunately, non-owners' or "student's" insurance is pretty cheap, nothing like auto insurance for young drivers.
 

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Reply #18 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 10:31am

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Just completed a very enjoyable tour of your area with my little Cessna 150 Aerobat, with assistance from ATC and Flight Following....>>>

FS Navigator Flight Plan:

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Courtesy of FS Navigator.

Interesting Town names...Home from Home!

Paul...FS 2004... Cool...!
 

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Fozzer wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 6:47am:
machineman9 wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 3:49am:
......The more money you have, the better things will be. Plus, women dig a rich pilot  Wink


Beware... Shocked....

..they also dig a big hole in your Bank Balance!... Wink... Wink...!

....Priorities!... Grin... Grin...!

Paul.... Cool...!

As Machine Man says, flying is awfully expensive. You need a well-paid, regular, back-up job, to pay for it all!

I assume you thought that the saved up money went to paying for the flying  Grin Wink   Some things in life are the same, pilot or not  Tongue
 

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Reply #20 - Jan 7th, 2012 at 11:53am

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Some excellent advice here, and I hope you really enjoy it (I'm sure you will) and I've got my fingers crossed the weather where you are will be better than what I've had in the past few months (85% of lessons cancelled  Shocked)

As for busy airspace...don't be scared. I love learning at a busy regional airport in the UK where GA fits in with Business aviation and regular 737 and A319 passenger services. It's more expensive (you have to hold a bit more) and can be a bit frantic at times but I think it's a great environment to learn in (and taxying behind an airliner is just cool)

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