Simviation Forum - The Perfect Aircraft

Dec 8^th, 2011 at 8:45pm

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This question may be hard to answer since I can't really figure it out myself. I am looking for a private aircraft between the complexity and speed of something like the King Air, and the Learjets or Citations. I'm looking for something fairly simple, good looking and fast, also that has a good vc and textures, for fsx of course. I came to the conclusion of the Citation Mustang, but I don't have the money for it, and it is a little complex for what I'm looking for. It could be a prop like the PC-12 or the Epic LT or something, but not payware. I've tried the freeware pc-12 and can't land that thing worth a darn, but maybe I'll give it a go again. Anyways, thanks for any input, I know I'm kind of searching for the perfect airplane for fsx, but someone may have some obscure plane that I've never heard before well modeled in FSX.

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Reply #1 - Dec 8^th, 2011 at 9:28pm

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Hmm I get the 'simplicity', that I cannot agree with more as well as the speed. I also prefer a unique flying aircraft so I like Tim "Piglet" Conrad's SS-4P Sus Scrofa pusher turbo prop. Otherwise try the Lancair Legacy (there are several here). They are fast single engine pistons with a fighter like feel and cockpit. These are my choices so its what works for me, you might have different standards.

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Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2011 at 4:10pm

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Look at the Piaggio P-180 Avanti found here:

http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=avanti&categoryId=

It's sleek, fast(cruising spd & max spd higher than most VLJ) and pleasant on the eyes. I haven't tried the FSX version as I an a FS9 junkie. Also, there is a glass 2D panel available from Marco Spada at:
http://www.arch-spada.com/panels/
Hope this helps you out.

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Reply #3 - Dec 10^th, 2011 at 11:50am

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Get the Eaglesoft CJ1 (not the plus). It's around 20 dollars and simply to operate, no FMC planning or anything. I can tell you how to setup the autopilot as at first it's different but once you get it figured out it's a joy to fly.

Compared to some new payware it does feel slightly dated, the textures are perfect in the cockpit but it's great for the price, and the whole package is excellent.

There really isn't much freeware like that in a 'Perfect' package. Alrot's jets are great, but based on what you are saying they aren't quite the quality you want (but damn good for freeware!)

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Reply #4 - Jan 4^th, 2012 at 4:02pm

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There's the Avanti here, it's a beautiful bird, Very simple VC, and has a fully modeled interior Grin

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Here's the link to it
http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=ersp180fsx.zip&x=21&y=8

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Reply #5 - Jan 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am

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Jayhawk Jake wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

Get the Eaglesoft CJ1 (not the plus). It's around 20 dollars and simply to operate, no FMC planning or anything. I can tell you how to setup the autopilot as at first it's different but once you get it figured out it's a joy to fly.

Compared to some new payware it does feel slightly dated, the textures are perfect in the cockpit but it's great for the price, and the whole package is excellent.

There really isn't much freeware like that in a 'Perfect' package. Alrot's jets are great, but based on what you are saying they aren't quite the quality you want (but damn good for freeware!)

He already said he not the Citation Mustang and something between a King Air and a Citation, so I would say the CJ falls out of that range.
By the way Jake, you do know right that there are other aircraft manufactures than Cessna right? Cessna is good but there are many other designs that are better...like Mooneys, Bombardiers, Beechcraft, Piper, you get the idea. Just saying, other aircraft could use some love...
There are plenty of freeware aircraft of payware quality here, of all makers and types!

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Reply #6 - Jan 7^th, 2012 at 5:20pm

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wahubna wrote on Jan 7^th, 2012 at 10:12am:

Jayhawk Jake wrote on Dec 10^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

Get the Eaglesoft CJ1 (not the plus). It's around 20 dollars and simply to operate, no FMC planning or anything. I can tell you how to setup the autopilot as at first it's different but once you get it figured out it's a joy to fly.

Compared to some new payware it does feel slightly dated, the textures are perfect in the cockpit but it's great for the price, and the whole package is excellent.

There really isn't much freeware like that in a 'Perfect' package. Alrot's jets are great, but based on what you are saying they aren't quite the quality you want (but damn good for freeware!)

He already said he not the Citation Mustang and something between a King Air and a Citation, so I would say the CJ falls out of that range.
By the way Jake, you do know right that there are other aircraft manufactures than Cessna right? Cessna is good but there are many other designs that are better...like Mooneys, Bombardiers, Beechcraft, Piper, you get the idea. Just saying, other aircraft could use some love...
There are plenty of freeware aircraft of payware quality here, of all makers and types!

There are other manufacturers, I know, but name other quality addons available for business jets that aren't Cessna, there really aren't any that meet his requirements.

And yes, the CJ is more complex in real life, but Eaglesoft's version is not fully simulated like Flight1's Mustang, it fits what he's asking for. Fast, not too expensive, quality, and easy to operate.

He basically wants a turboprop faster than a king air, or a jet simpler than a Boeing. Having played FS for 8 years or so, and being an aviation enthusiast for 22, I can't think of anything that meets his requirements otherwise.

Maybe Tim 'Piglet' Conrad's Morane-Saulnier MS760? It's a 4-seat personal jet, easy to use, high quality, fairly quick.

Premier Aircraft Design has all the jets he's looking for, but at least from my experience they may not be to his level of quality standard. But they are worth a shot (http://www.premaircraft.com/AC_MENU/index.html)

The HondaJet by Mitsuya Hamaguchi is pretty good, he should check that out

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Reply #7 - Jan 7^th, 2012 at 6:29pm

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Yeah, thanks for the heads up on stuff guys, I've tried the P180 before, and I'm not a fan of the VC, and the Hondajet is good except for the creepy flight attendants and co-pilots, also I have the MS760, and my own repaint of it. It's a wonderful aircraft, but there just seems like there is something missing. And no, premier aircraft design is not even close. I do enjoy the Dassault falcon 50 that's on SimV too, although the cockpit isn't the best, I still enjoy it quite a lot.

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Reply #8 - Jan 8^th, 2012 at 4:04pm

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Having been raised around too many corporate jets, knowing waaay to many pilots, line men, and mechanics that work with corporate jets I have grown tired of the flying limos. My dad actually is a corporate jet pilot, he always talks of how he misses the single engine pistons. I tend to agree and would rather stay away from them, so my opinion is skewed to say the least.

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