Simviation Forum - Pheonix, Arizona Air Crash....

Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:14am

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Video footage, and discussion...>>>

http://www.flyingmag.com/news/video-footage-captures-arizona-crash?cmpid=enews11...

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Reply #1 - Nov 30^th, 2011 at 9:15pm

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It's Phoenix...

Tragic, but just another sign of stupid decisions on the part of safety officials. There's a reason the altitude was what it was.

However, I find it odd that the craft had terrain warning systems, an experienced pilot with knowledge of the area, and still hit the mountain. Curious to see what comes out of the investigation. I hope there was something else that went wrong, otherwise it's a needless tragedy caused solely by bad decision making when redefining the airspace

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Reply #2 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 3:58am

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Latest news...>>>

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Reply #3 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:45am

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What was the point in that video, apart from some free publicity for the software company??

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Reply #4 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:52am

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I wonder if the Pheonix Air Traffic Control Radar would have been alerted that the aircraft was likely to fly into terrain, with its height and direction showing up on the radar screen?

Does a filed Flight Plan under IFR, and being under the strict control of ATC, likely to prevent accidents of this sort?

Paul.

In my FS 2004 Flight Sim, a filed IFR flight plan under the control of ATC, keeps a very close eye on me, and generally "controls" my altitude and direction, and steers me away from various hazards!

Just completed a FS 2004 trial flight from Falcon Airfield (KFFZ), travelling eastwards. With the Altimeter reading 5,000 feet ASL, the Radio Altimeter registered 294 Feet AGL at the peak of the mountain.
Any flight below 5,000 feet ASL is sure to collide with the terrain.

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Reply #5 - Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 12:03pm

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Jayhawk Jake wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 9:15pm:

It's Phoenix...

Tragic, but just another sign of stupid decisions on the part of safety officials. There's a reason the altitude was what it was.

However, I find it odd that the craft had terrain warning systems, an experienced pilot with knowledge of the area, and still hit the mountain. Curious to see what comes out of the investigation. I hope there was something else that went wrong, otherwise it's a needless tragedy caused solely by bad decision making when redefining the airspace

Terrible accident, I understand class B airspace keeps VFR traffic low till you get out by the high terrain,they (ATC) should be more accommodating to get a climb thru class B airspace. We lost 2 CAP members with thousands of hours each in a similar crash leaving Las Vegas a few years ago,new cessna 182, G1000 with terrain map,on a dark night.I guess we pilots get a little complacent as we get more experience,Be carefull VFR at night, when ATC says squawk VFR/1200, your on your own to avoid other traffic and Granite .
My prayers go out to all their families & loved ones
Cry

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Reply #6 - Dec 6^th, 2011 at 7:02pm

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More news...>>>

http://www.flyingmag.com/news/ntsb-father-wasn%E2%80%99t-controls-doomed-turbo-c...

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Reply #7 - Dec 6^th, 2011 at 10:29pm

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Interesting, but still doesn't tell much about what caused it. I wonder how much experience anyone on the plane had with that Honeywell unit, as if the plane was only with them for a week it's entirely possible they did not yet know how to operate it and chose to fly regardless because a GPWS is not essential.

I know it may sound morbid, but I always thought it might be interesting to be an NTSB investigator, figure out what causes these accidents to prevent them in the future. Of course, while I thought it would be interesting, I never bothered applying :p. Guess it worked out anyways Wink

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