Simviation Forum - CPU and GPU Hierarchy Charts applicable to FSX

Nov 19^th, 2011 at 6:13am

Dan Dare Offline
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I use these charts on Tom’s Hardware site as a good reference in my research for a new FSX PC. Unfortunately they are compiled using 4 games rather than FS. Will these charts still hold good?

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Reply #1 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 7:50am

Faildozer. Ex Member

They are a pretty good guide.

However please be aware that FSX won't use more than 1 GPU properly so crossfire and SLI setups will not be beneficial over a single GPU. This also includes graphics cards like the 6990 and GTX 590 which in actuality have two GPUs on a single circuit board.

FSX doesn't use hyperthreading either.

www.techpowerup.com has the best graphics card charts in my opinion. Find their newest graphics card review, and within will be a graph comparing every single graphics card tested before the date of that review. Look at the performance summary page for the resolution you run at.

example:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6970_Devil_13/27.html

http://www.computerbase.de/ has the best processor charts in my opinion. It's in german but it's not difficult to translate it using an online translator. Find their newest processor review, and within will be a graph comparing every single processor tested before the date of that review. Hyperthreading is also known as SMT, in the computerbase articles look at performance with turbo (if it supports it) but without SMT.

example:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2011/test-intel-sandy-bridge-e/13...

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Reply #2 - Nov 24^th, 2011 at 6:30pm

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Faildozer, I’ve been well and truly steered away from 2 GPU’s by you good flyers. The sound advice has resulted in the following which I’m posting on Dedicated FSX Spec. However, I’m reviewing it in view of your comments now.
Thanks.

InWIN DRAGON RIDER GAMING CASE
OVERCLOCKED INTEL® CORE™I7-2700K QUAD CORE (3.50GHZ @ MAX 5.00GHZ)
ASUS® P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3: PCI-E 3.0 READY, SLI, CROSSFIREX
RAM 16GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (4 x 4GB KIT)
3GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 580 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
120GB INTEL® 510 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 450MB/sR | 210MB/sW) for FSX only
1TB SATA-II 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 32MB CACHE (7,200rpm) for OS and other stuff
12x BLU-RAY ROM DRIVE, 16x DVD ±R/±RW
CORSAIR 750W PRO SERIES™ HX750-80 PLUS® SILVER MODULAR. considering suggestion of 1000
TITAN FENRIR EVO EXTREME HEATPIPE CPU COOLER
NZXT SENTRY 2 SYSTEM FAN CONTROLLER + 5 FITTED CASE FANS
GENUINE WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM 64 BIT
IIYAMA E2773HDS 27" LED WIDESCREEN, HDMI/DVI-D HD1920x1080

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Reply #3 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 9:54am

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Unless you are running an application that will actually use 16GB of ram you do not need it, 8GB of ram is more than enough for FSX. The 1600MHz rating is great for what you show, but a lower CAS is also better, it would be nice to know the CAS rating of the ram. Also it can be harder to get a stable overclock with 16GB of ram vs. 8GB of ram.

The Titan Fenrir EVO CPU HSF does not look that good. See if you can find any reviews on the net that compare it to a Noctua NH-D14 and/or a Thermalright Silver Arrow, these two are the best air CPU HSF available at this time.

I know they look cool, but you really do not need a fan controller (NZXT Sentry 2) unless you really want one. Also some case fans do not work well with fan controllers.

This looks like you are using a configurator on some website and you are going to buy it from that website. If this is the case post a link so we can see what other options there are.

Also if this is the case, have you thought about buying the parts from Newegg and/or Tiger Direct (or some other site if you are not in the US) and building your own?

Asus R3E_i7 980X @ 4.44GHz_TR Silver Arrow_Mushkin Redline 6GB 1,644MHz @ 6-7-6-18_Zotac AMP GTX 480_OS - Windows 7 Ult 64b_OS SSD - Crucial C300 128GB_FSX HD - WD VR 600GB*2 w/3ware 9750-4i 6Gb/s Controller_Corsair AX850_CM HAF-X_FSX Gold, UTX, GEX, FSG, ST, MSX, MSE, FTX, FEX, FSWC, MTX, STB, AS F16, PMDG MD11, CS MD80 Pro, FSD P38, VRS FA18E

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Reply #4 - Nov 25^th, 2011 at 11:19am

Faildozer. Ex Member

What he said.

Also change the SSD to a Crucial M4 128GB.

Also IMHO that case is hideous although it probably gets good airflow. Corsair 500R and Antec P280 are my favourite cases at the moment. The Antec doesn't have as good cooling but is quieter. I just ordered one.

Also big heatsinks can block RAM slots, so try to get low profile memory if you can. Get Noctua over thermalright.

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Reply #5 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:05am

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Thanks, sorry I'm slow. Still working through your comments.
Yes. My configurator is PCspecialist.co.uk
And on RAM It’s not the first time I’m told 8 GB is ample and take your point about instability, I'm looking at ; 8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT). This CAS from a web site: - “Each module kit has been tested to run at DDR3-1600MHz at a low latency timing of 9-9-9-27 at 1.65V. The SPDs are programmed to JEDEC standard latency DDR3-1333MHz timing of 9-9-9 at 1.5V” ?

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Reply #6 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 4:57pm

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The first 9 in 9-9-9-27 is the CAS so the ram is CAS9. I looked at the website and the 8GB Kingston Hyper-X Genesis is your best choice since the 2133MHz GSkill have a CAS11 rating from what I can see on the web. CAS7 would really be better, but unless you want to build a rig yourself you are limited to what is offered.

I really do not like that Dragon Rider Case either, I do not like the way the feet stick out on the side and all your USB ports and other ports are on top. The site has both a Coolermaster 932 and HAF-X, I had a 932 and have the HAF-X now and both are great cases.

I really do not like that EVO HSF. I would send them an email and ask them if they will put a Noctua NH-D14 or a Thermalright Silver Arrow on. I have the Silver Arrow and I got it over the D14 because the SA comes with PWM fans, the D14 only comes with DC fans. Performance wise in any benchmarks I have seen there is only a 1 or 2 degree difference in temperature under load. Either one will be fine. If they will not let you switch and you do not mind liquid running around inside your system then think about the Coolit ECO II C240 they offer. You are going to need the best HSF you can get if you want to overclock this above 4.5GHz and up. Most people with a 2600K get to 4.6GHz and a lot get up to 5GHz, the 2700K should get to 5GHz easier than the 2600K, but it is not guaranteed.

If you ask them if you can get a different HSF ask them if you can get some CAS7 1600MHz ram.

Also unless you are going to run multiple monitors you do not need a 3GB GPU. They also offer a 1.5GB GTX 580, you could consider that if the price difference is worth it to you.

I still think that you should consider building this yourself so you can fine tune the parts you get.

Asus R3E_i7 980X @ 4.44GHz_TR Silver Arrow_Mushkin Redline 6GB 1,644MHz @ 6-7-6-18_Zotac AMP GTX 480_OS - Windows 7 Ult 64b_OS SSD - Crucial C300 128GB_FSX HD - WD VR 600GB*2 w/3ware 9750-4i 6Gb/s Controller_Corsair AX850_CM HAF-X_FSX Gold, UTX, GEX, FSG, ST, MSX, MSE, FTX, FEX, FSWC, MTX, STB, AS F16, PMDG MD11, CS MD80 Pro, FSD P38, VRS FA18E

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Reply #7 - Nov 26^th, 2011 at 7:08pm

Dan Dare Offline
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Thanks idahosurge, digesting what you’ve said.

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Reply #8 - Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:12am

Dan Dare Offline
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Hope you don’t mind but I’m moving over to a new more appropriate heading spec for FSX (and Flight ?)

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