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Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:05am

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I am looking for opinions on the best graphics card for FSX.
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 2nd, 2011 at 1:21pm

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One that is yet to be designed, I fear. Take the actual state of the art, affordable only if you aren't scared of paying prices with 4 numerals... still too little for the bugger, but I guess it would do, if you can content yourself. Tongue

To have a more accurate answer, you should at the very least mention how much $ or £ or € or ¥ you can afford to part with for this card. Wink
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 2nd, 2011 at 2:28pm

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With the ridiculous 20% V.A.T. I have to pay in sweden I got my new components for 4700sek:

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The only issue I have on max is that stupid fsx bug that says it "ran out" of memory.

I of course have an old case, old psu, old drives and old screen. It's important you get those right so you don't have to get new ones every single time.
 

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Reply #3 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:22am

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Mine is an EVGA GeForce GTX285 with 1 GB DDR3. FSX stops with sound still running. FSX can be shut off with CTRL-ALT-DEL and computer is still running OK. Also sometimes goes to black screen, this can only be overcome by shutting off the PC with the on/off button then restarting. These shut downs are random. Sometimes right away, sometimes after a long time. This activity only happens with FSX. Does anyone else have these kind of problems?
 
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Reply #4 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 12:45am
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Reply #5 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 3:01am

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FSX doesn't require that much power from the graphics card. Wait until December when NVIDIA upgrades their GTX 560 Ti and get one of those.
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 5th, 2011 at 6:53pm

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ArcticFox wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 2:28pm:
With the ridiculous 20% V.A.T. I have to pay in sweden I got my new components for 4700sek:


Come here in Italy, my friend. We here have an equivalent to VAT tax, called IVA, of ONLY 21%. Roll Eyes

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F35LightningII wrote on Nov 5th, 2011 at 3:01am:
FSX doesn't require that much power from the graphics card.


This kind of statement, sadly read not only here, always incenses me, because it flies in the face of facts and makes bloody fun of them. Roll Eyes

While it's true and all nice and good that simulators need a good CPU, but those who downplay the need of graphical power for any modern sims, FSX first and foremost among them, are misinformed in the best case and spreading their misconceptions (like here, I suspect), or in bad faith (like in some shop, when someone with a big and sincere smile wants to sell you, for a pittance of three numerals, a powerful Radeon 9500 capable to cater to all your gaming needs... happened for real not long ago... cannot repeat here what I told the slime because it would be ground for me to be banned immediately). Angry

Do not bankrupt yourself (especially in the current conjuncture) for it, but go for a card you can afford that is powerful, or you WILL be sorry.
 

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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:12am

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I would buy a new graphics card but I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and end up with the same problem. I was hoping for some information on known FSX compatible cards. There is not much discussion in the forum about problems like the one I have. Makes me wonder if it's just me or what.
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:27am

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BigT-65 wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:12am:
I would buy a new graphics card but I don't want to spend a couple hundred bucks and end up with the same problem. I was hoping for some information on known FSX compatible cards. There is not much discussion in the forum about problems like the one I have. Makes me wonder if it's just me or what.


See, the problem is: you are not bringing examples of what is available where you live nor you state your FSX configuration.

My kids, to say, are happy with FSX used under the honest yet modest Gefo 9600GT 512Mb I have in the other rig, but the FSX installed for them is pretty much default, with some minor add-on to make it look less unrealistic (FSX Italy default seems a main branch of the Sahara desert... I mean, all right desertification is a problem, but THAT is quite too much at the present moment), but I am quite certain performances would go straight through the events horizon of intolerability if some pesky add-ons available around were installed there...

What kind of add-on are you going to install on your FSX? If you want to keep it almost default, you can go even with something comparable to my videocard, else you MUST rise the bar.
 

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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:38am

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I have a HP G62 and the card is not that great, can it be upgraded?
 

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Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:07am

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Ireland89 wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:38am:
I have a HP G62 and the card is not that great, can it be upgraded?


A laptop? You want to upgrade the video section of a laptop? Huh

...to do miracles, we are not equipped yet... Roll Eyes

From the net I can see your laptop has a ATI Mobility Radeon HD5430, which is quite the better deal than the infamous Intel integrated videochip with shared memory, but if you're not satisfied... either change laptop or change sim. Tongue
 

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Reply #11 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:11am

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I remember on my old XP I had a factory default Graphics card the game worked with 10 FPS on low settings.  Grin Grin Grin Now I got a Win 7 with a new graphics card(but I don't remember what it was and don't know how to look it up)and it works fine medium settings. Wink
 

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Reply #12 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:20am

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Strategic Retreat wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:07am:
Ireland89 wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 9:38am:
I have a HP G62 and the card is not that great, can it be upgraded?


A laptop? You want to upgrade the video section of a laptop? Huh

...to do miracles, we are not equipped yet... Roll Eyes

From the net I can see your laptop has a ATI Mobility Radeon HD5430, which is quite the better deal than the infamous Intel integrated videochip with shared memory, but if you're not satisfied... either change laptop or change sim. Tongue


Grin I guess it's ok for a laptop.

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Reply #13 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 10:56am

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This is the computer I am using with FSX
Motherboard Asus P6T Deluxe V2
Processor Intel Core i7-940
Memory 12 GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3
CPU Cooler Zalman CNPS 9900
Power Supply Corsair TX850 W
Graphics EVGA GeForce GTX 285
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I am running FSX maxed out on graphics and normally get 30 fps with it set at 30. All this is great if I could just get the random freeze problem solved. Tuning the graphics settings down doesn't seem to help much.
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Reply #14 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 11:49am

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A random freeze of what kind?

If the kind that from time to time seem to trip the smoothness of your simflight, it does not forcibly mean your videocard is maxed out. Could mean you need to fine tune your FSX to use all the cores of your CPU, manipulating the Affinitymask= variable (in my kid's FSX, setting it to 3 for the dual core CPU that rig has, has cured a lot of micro-stutterings and even the odd transient random freeze).

That or your PC could have some other process in background that is time consuming and intensive enough to trip your sim from time to time... using FsAutoStart would help a lot, here.

If the random freeze is instead the kind where only a hard reset can get you out of, you have a hardware overheating somewhere. Could be either the CPU or GPU, and here I would recommend you to keep the heatsinks of both as clean as you can, with monthly check with a can of compressed air or garage compressor, and to keep an eye on the fans' working.
 

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Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 1:41pm

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These are the kinds of freezes I am talking about. Most of the time everything is still on the screen but not moving and the sound is still on, keyboard, mouse and joystick are not working. I can do ctrl-alt-del and stop FSX which is not responding then everything is working again. With the other kind, the screen just suddenly goes black, the sound may still be on but very distorted or sounding like it was stuck. The only way out of this is shut down and restart with the button. Even the reset button does not work.  Sometimes these freezes happen right at the beginning of the flight and other times much later or not at all. I have monitored the temp on my CPU and graphics and it doesn't seem to be a factor. Before I start FSX I do a ctrl-alt-del and turn off some of the running processes. I also put Norton in quiet mode. I also had this problem with my previous computer which was running Windows xp 64 bit and had an ATI graphics card and Pentium processor. That computer was the reason I built the new one. I wanted to be able to run FSX all out. I didn't have the freezing problem for about the first year.
 
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Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 2:04pm

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I am going to try the FSAutoStart. It looks like something I need. I forgot to mention that I have tried adjusting back on the graphics settings a bit. This doesn't seem to help much either.
 
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Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2011 at 3:31pm

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If temperatures seem not to be a problem, could be a software problem, or conflict. Try using FsAutoStart to wipe as clean as possible the memory while running FS and updating video and audio drivers.

If it continues we fall in memory fault territory. Try running Fs with part of the whole physical memory (removing physically the memory sticks) and eventually swap banks.

You didn't by any chance tweak the memory timings in the BIOS, did you? If you did, put everything to default and try running FS again.

Let us know.
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 10th, 2011 at 10:36pm

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I downloaded FSAutoStart and also found AlacrityPC which is an update of FSAutoStart. I thought they would be more automatic. I still have to decide which processes to shut down and that is the part I don't know how to do. How do you know which ones you can shut down without messing things up?
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 14th, 2011 at 11:16pm

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Strategic Retreat wrote on Nov 9th, 2011 at 3:31pm:
If temperatures seem not to be a problem, could be a software problem, or conflict. Try using FsAutoStart to wipe as clean as possible the memory while running FS and updating video and audio drivers.

If it continues we fall in memory fault territory. Try running Fs with part of the whole physical memory (removing physically the memory sticks) and eventually swap banks.

You didn't by any chance tweak the memory timings in the BIOS, did you? If you did, put everything to default and try running FS again.

Let us know.

I haven't tweeked any memory settings. Right now my computer is running completely stock. Using FSautostart and AlacrityPC did not stop the freezing. I have taken the memory down from 12 GB to 4 GB two sticks at a time and shuffled them around in the slots. After each test I still had the problem. I also ran MemTest86 and the system passed witout any errors. So, I am ruling out memory problems. I think my next move is going to be re-installing FSX. Has anyone had experience with Abacus products. I have their Flight Deck, Extreme Scenery, and a couple of their airplanes, F-14 and Connie plus all the ones that come with Flight Deck. Sad
 
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Reply #20 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 5:42pm

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I fear, if NOTHING work and no help... helps, that you need the last resort. Undecided

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Reply #21 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 10:46pm

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Nah, I aint gonna be doin' any re-formatin'. That's way too much work. I don't have any trouble with anything else except FSX. I might go aheaad and re-install that.
 
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Reply #22 - Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:03am

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BigT-65 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 10:46pm:
...... I don't have any trouble with anything else except FSX.....


Aint that the troof!... Grin... Grin...!

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Under Windows 7, and my 2.8 GHz Processor, I don't experience any fault problems with FSX, except for the fact that it performs very badly, poor frame rates, smoothness, etc, even on low settings on my system, compared to FS 2004 with everything maxed.
 

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BigT-65 wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 10:46pm:
I don't have any trouble with anything else except FSX.


So good for you to have joined that club. Hardly a secret, as Fozzer remarked, that FSX, beside its long standing tradition of performances issues, it's infamous to be quite the very reliable source of problems. Roll Eyes

I wish you good luck with finding a solution. Not much more I can do for you (especially with today's continental drift fast forum server). Smiley
 

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This is very VERY helpful!  Im bilding a new computer, and I also want to know what type of stuff I would put in it.
 

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Reply #25 - Dec 19th, 2011 at 12:36pm

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I am wondering if can get better graphics card for my 2year old  Wired2fire Hellspawncrossfire computer . I have windows 7 64 bit computer with 2 of 1tb drives raid 0, graphics card ati hd 4800 series with fsx gold and the computer gas been overclocked by supplier to intel core i7, CPU 860 @2.8GHz 3.41 GHz, with 8gb RAM .Advice would be appreciated but I do not want too spend silly money.
I am also trying to make use of tileproxy addon with limited success.It runs but also seems to give errors in loading and graphics not as good as believe can be achieved
 
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Hiya i was wondering what is better the zotac gtx560amp edition with the two fans or the asus gtx560 directcu ii
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Take a look here for comparisons of graphic cards http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Graphic-Cards.130.0.html and here for advise about laptops and what works good with them http://www.notebookcheck.net/Purchase-Advisory-Market-Overview-of-current-Gaming...

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BigT-65 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:05am:
I am looking for opinions on the best graphics card for FSX.


Try this question in 'Hardware.'
 

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Reply #29 - Dec 22nd, 2011 at 5:22pm

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I have a HD6770 and get quite decent frame rates (varies between 30fps in very dense areas to around 70fps).
I have heard that FSX is CPU intensive (is that correct?) and so more money should be invested in the fastest CPU you can afford rather than the video card ie you get better results from a faster CPU - is that correct?
 
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Reply #30 - Dec 24th, 2011 at 12:38pm

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jparnold wrote on Dec 22nd, 2011 at 5:22pm:
I have a HD6770 and get quite decent frame rates (varies between 30fps in very dense areas to around 70fps).
I have heard that FSX is CPU intensive (is that correct?) and so more money should be invested in the fastest CPU you can afford rather than the video card ie you get better results from a faster CPU - is that correct?

Speed isnt that important. Get a quad core processor and set the right affinity mask in your fsx.cfg file for the best results.
 

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Reply #31 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 1:33am

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I too considered this same question a few weeks ago and ended up with the opinion that video cards don't have a direct effect on FSX performance and that CPU speed affects performance more.
I upgraded my video card and only got a small increase in frames per second.
 
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Reply #32 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 2:12am
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The fastest videocard for FSX will probably be the AMD Radeon 7970, released in early January.

4.31 billion transistors and 264 GB/s of memory bandwidth.  Shocked

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/images/perfrel_2560.gif
(5970, 6990 and GTX 590 have two graphics chips in them, which FSX doesn't use)

Is it good value for money? Not really. However, if you already have a top end processor (i7-3930K or i7-3960X) then this will be the card to pair it with.

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and so more money should be invested in the fastest CPU you can afford rather than the video card ie you get better results from a faster CPU - is that correct?

It's all about balance. In FSX the balance is shifted towards to CPU side of things compared to games, but that doesn't mean the graphics card is unimportant either. And generally computer programs will only perform as well as the slowest part: there's no point having a $1000 i7-3960X using integrated graphics and there's no point having a $550 AMD Radeon 7970 paired up with a 5 year old Pentium 4. On the other hand, an i7-3960X and Radeon 7970 would be extremely impressive.

Also often very high end hardware is poor value for money compared to mid-end stuff. So spending all your money on one part while neglecting others can be a horrendous waste of money - both because you're upsetting a balance and because the really expensive part may not be much better. So it's not entirely correct. You should spend your money on the fastest CPU + mobo + ram + videocard combination you can get, because they're all important.

I rarely use FSX and my system isn't very balanced for FSX. A Q6600 @ 3.4ghz is way too slow to unleash a GTX 570 in FSX. Why did I get a GTX 570 then? Cause I got a free upgrade from a lower end card that turned out to be defective and in most computer are very graphics intensive compared to FSX. As a general rule of thumb, in my opinion, pair high end graphics cards with high end processors for best results. And mid end processors with mid end graphics cards.
 
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Reply #33 - Dec 29th, 2011 at 4:30am

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jparnold wrote on Dec 29th, 2011 at 1:33am:
I too considered this same question a few weeks ago and ended up with the opinion that video cards don't have a direct effect on FSX performance...


This is mostly true for a stock or anyway light add-on scenery FSX. Delve into the infamous
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