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Sep 19th, 2011 at 7:33pm

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This has sparked off because a friend of mine has become lost in country lanes just minutes off from where they're meant to be heading (though, she is the sort who would get lost on a straight road). So I thought...

If you can use your wristwatch to navigate with the sun (in the Northern hemisphere, align hour hand with sun and bisect the angle between that and '12' to find North/South line, then use common sense to work out which side is East and which is West) can you do it with the moon?

Would it follow the same guideline for the moon? It is quite late, so the sun has gone to bed... And England being England, it is constantly covered in cloud (so no stars to follow!)


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Reply #1 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 7:52pm

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I don't know for certain, But I'm pretty sure you can't.  The reasons I think that are:
1.  The moon is orbiting around us as we spin on our axis, the sun is staying in the same place RELATIVE TO OUR SOLAR SYSTEM.
2.  The moon deviates within about 10* up and down in it's orbit around us.
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:27pm

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That is very true, and both are reasons I had considered. It's hard to keep complete track of that celestial body, but it seemed to show up in quite a similar location most nights at the same time. A wobbly orbit, yeah, but hopefully good enough to determine all 4 directions?
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:40pm

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Wouldn't it be easier to just find the north star?
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:44pm

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That's a tricky one.
I'm not an astronomer so I'm not very good at this. But here's what I know...
The full moon rises to the east So at midnight it's approximately to the south and sets in the west because of it's orbit course.
If it's a crescent moon you can Imagine a line from tip to tip of the crescent which when It touches the horizon It's approximately south.
I don't understand it either. So it's up to you to guess where North or South Is Shocked.
And Your friend drives without a compass or any navigational data including gps a map? Lips Sealed
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 19th, 2011 at 8:51pm

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Despite its motion relative to the Earth, the Moon rises and sets at roughly the same interval as the Sun. So the watch thing might work. But it may rise during the day, or have set by sundown... not much use in using the moon when ol' Sol is visible.  Wink
And on nights when the moon is in its "new" phase, it may not be visible at all, unless there's some earth-glow reflecting off it.

Regardless, if you know what hemisphere you're in and have the time to watch the Moon for a bit to see which way it's "going", you can easily work out the cardinal directions. Just like the Sun, it rises in the east, sets in the west, and is seen in the southern sky from the northern hemisphere and in the northern sky from the southern hemisphere.
And when there's no Moon present, there are these really cool blinky lights in the sky called stars. Most of them rise in the east and set in the west...but if you don't have time to wait for stars tio crawl across the sky, the exceptions to the rise east/set west rule are very convenient. For example, if you can find  Polaris (from the northern hemisphere, you have true north. How to find it? It's the one that doesn't move all night long (because it's oriented roughly over the Earth's axis of rotation). all of the other stars will appear to circle around it.

But I forgot- we don't have time to watch the stars move, and note the ones that do not. Okay, then- find the Big Dipper, and trace a line up from its bowl. That really bright star there is Polaris (aka Alpha Ursae Minoris, a supergiant about 434 light-years away).  It's never directly overhead unless you're at the North Pole, so whatever side of the sky it seems to be on if you look straight up is true north. The rest is easy enough to figure out.  Wink
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:03am

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Depending on the time of the month you can use this method (you have to know if the moon is waxing or waning).

Because the moon has no light of its own, we can only see it when it reflects the sun's light. As it orbits the earth on its 28-day circuit, the shape of the reflected light varies according to its position. We say there is a new moon or no moon when it is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun. Then, as it moves away from the earth's shadow, it begins to reflect light from its right side and waxes to become a full moon before waning, or losing shape, to appear as a sliver on the left side. You can use this information to identify direction.

If the moon rises before the sun has set, the illuminated side will be the west. If the moon rises after midnight, the illuminated side will be the east. This obvious discovery provides us with a rough east-west reference during the night.

It isn't good enough for putting a bomb through a terrorists front door but it can get you pointed in the right direction.
One of my Kiwi mates had an abillity to navigate using this and the time and could actually get you on a course within a couple of degrees of a compass reading! I never got that good at it.
 

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Reply #7 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 10:27am

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just saying but if you have a  watch and you can see the moon,why dont you check the time and see where the moon is?
if its midnight,well,then you might have a problem.
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 11:09am

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The problem is the moon is not always in the same location at the same time.  Sometimes it is up during the day, sometimes it is up at night.  I would think navigating by the moon would be more like navigating by the stars, needing a book that would give locations for a given date/time.
 
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Reply #9 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 2:00pm

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If only using the Moon, rising in the east and setting in the west, as a 'general' direction indicator when one is substantially north or south of the equatorial line, that isn't a major problem. The query concerned direction, so let's not confuse time with directional reference, the two only definitively relitively important for something more exact... and, obviously, the Moon could only be used as a reference when it's there... it's always nice to have at least a dim view of where you're going.

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Reply #10 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 4:26pm

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I think I have a good idea,
Just get out and ask for directions! Cheesy

If you ask me, it's more manly to ask for directions and make it home than to run out of fuel and be completely helpless. Roll Eyes
And even then you'll  still need to ask for directions anyway.
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:27pm

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Club. It's in the middle of the night. You aren't just gonna get out and ask for directions. Maybe thieves, Murderers e.t.c are out there Shocked

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If you ask me, it's more manly to ask for directions and make it home than to run out of fuel and be completely helpless.


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This has sparked off because a friend of mine has become lost in country lanes just minutes off from where they're meant to be heading (though, she is the sort who would get lost on a straight road). So I thought...


Just to clarify Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 6:52pm

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To be fair, I do have a compass app on my phone, but that's no fun!

I would ordinary navigate using the North Star, but the atmosphere is usually acting against me, and it is quite hard to see anything through the clouds. There are only a few days when I ever see any stars at all, let alone useful ones!

Though I take it that it's a fairly inaccurate method of navigating. Blowing the clouds away would probably be more effective  Grin
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 7:05pm

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When I was out on back roads at night, before the days of GPS, cloud cover could be plus. I could see city lights reflecting off the bottom of the clouds from 40 miles away. Although that doesn't tell you what direction your going it does usually get you back to a main road.
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 20th, 2011 at 7:14pm

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hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:27pm:
Club. It's in the middle of the night. You aren't just gonna get out and ask for directions. Maybe thieves, Murderers e.t.c are out there Shocked

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If you ask me, it's more manly to ask for directions and make it home than to run out of fuel and be completely helpless.


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This has sparked off because a friend of mine has become lost in country lanes just minutes off from where they're meant to be heading (though, she is the sort who would get lost on a straight road). So I thought...


Just to clarify Roll Eyes

Whoops.  There goes that.  Shocked Shocked Shocked

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