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Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 11:22am

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Well, 17 years after it was released you can now legally buy Doom here in Germany. The Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons (BPjM) has now acknowledged that scenes of violence in the game cannot be viewed as “realistic” by today’s standards. Where they ever "realistic"????? The sequel "Doom II - Hell on Earth" has also been taken off the index.
Oddly "Wolfenstein 3D" remains on the government's banned list for the time being. Apparently shooting badly rendered Nazi's is still not conducive to healthy living Grin

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Reply #1 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 11:54am

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Why do they ban Awesome stuff like doom and then legalize Twilight?
It just doesn't make sense Undecided

Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.

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Reply #2 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:02pm

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hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 11:54am:

Why do they ban Awesome stuff like doom and then legalize Twilight?
It just doesn't make sense Undecided

It's just like I've learned over here in America, just because they have power, it doesn't mean they have a brain. Undecided

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Reply #3 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:14pm

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Club508 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:02pm:

hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 11:54am:

Why do they ban Awesome stuff like doom and then legalize Twilight?
It just doesn't make sense Undecided

It's just like I've learned over here in America, just because they have power, it doesn't mean they have a brain. Undecided

But they do have huge mouths Sad

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But seriously. When was doom ever realistic? They're the kind of people who think Africa is a city in Nigeria. Angry

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I can't find that book anywhere Sad

Renè

Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.

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Reply #4 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:20pm

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hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:14pm:

Club508 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:02pm:

hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 11:54am:

Why do they ban Awesome stuff like doom and then legalize Twilight?
It just doesn't make sense Undecided

It's just like I've learned over here in America, just because they have power, it doesn't mean they have a brain. Undecided

But they do have huge mouths Sad

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But seriously. When was doom ever realistic? They're the kind of people who think Africa is a city in Nigeria. Angry

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I can't find that book anywhere Sad

Renè

Problom is, all around the globe people keep putting all the pwer in the hands of too few. And sadly, alot of times, those few turn ou to be absolute idiots and big-mouthed
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Reply #5 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm

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You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #6 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:47pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm:

You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

Why in Germany? Not The Usa, Britain... France? Huh

Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.

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Reply #7 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:21pm

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hyperpep111 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:47pm:

ozzy72 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm:

You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

Why in Germany? Not The Usa, Britain... France? Huh

Here in Germany, anything that is a Nazi related symbol, specifically the swastika is illegal to display. Even a Hitler salute can get you a large fine and in extreme cases a prison sentence. Warbirds are not allowed to display them. Overseas Visiting aircraft to such displays must cover up these marking. Germany is very sensitive to it's past history.

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Reply #8 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:46pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm:

You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

Murder, dangerous driving, drugs and all sorts of other snazzy things that you see in games are still illegal too. Okay, it's their excuse, but it's just a game. The swastika maintains relevance because it's a WW2 shooter (of sorts).

I really wish they would ban the people who are deciding what is right and wrong for us to view Roll Eyes

Lets face it, most people will just illegally download it if they cannot buy it, so the country might as well earn their tax money and just sell the games. e-shops and the companies themselves will just vend it anyway.

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Reply #9 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:54pm

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machineman9 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:46pm:

ozzy72 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm:

You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

Murder, dangerous driving, drugs and all sorts of other snazzy things that you see in games are still illegal too. Okay, it's their excuse, but it's just a game. The swastika maintains relevance because it's a WW2 shooter (of sorts).

I really wish they would ban the people who are deciding what is right and wrong for us to view Roll Eyes

Lets face it, most people will just illegally download it if they cannot buy it, so the country might as well earn their tax money and just sell the games. e-shops and the companies themselves will just vend it anyway.

I have been living here in Germany now for the last 14 years and unless you move here, you will never every have a true understanding of the feeling that Nazi symbols produce. It also makes not sense to try and explain it when the UK and USA can only counter with freedom of speech and actions argument.

Matt

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Reply #10 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 3:27pm

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expat wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:54pm:

machineman9 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 1:46pm:

ozzy72 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 12:22pm:

You have to remember that symbols such as the swastika are illegal in Germany. Hence why Wolfenstein is still banned.
If you look at German warbirds flying in Germany you'll notice that they don't carry certain markings Wink

Murder, dangerous driving, drugs and all sorts of other snazzy things that you see in games are still illegal too. Okay, it's their excuse, but it's just a game. The swastika maintains relevance because it's a WW2 shooter (of sorts).

I really wish they would ban the people who are deciding what is right and wrong for us to view Roll Eyes

Lets face it, most people will just illegally download it if they cannot buy it, so the country might as well earn their tax money and just sell the games. e-shops and the companies themselves will just vend it anyway.

I have been living here in Germany now for the last 14 years and unless you move here, you will never every have a true understanding of the feeling that Nazi symbols produce. It also makes not sense to try and explain it when the UK and USA can only counter with freedom of speech and actions argument.

Matt

No freedom of actions that i know of, but freedom of speech yes. But I understand it. Probably not on the level of Germans, but I get it pretty well.

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Reply #11 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 4:05pm

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expat wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 2:54pm:

I have been living here in Germany now for the last 14 years and unless you move here, you will never every have a true understanding of the feeling that Nazi symbols produce. It also makes not sense to try and explain it when the UK and USA can only counter with freedom of speech and actions argument.

Matt

I can understand that there is a lot of tension over it, but I can't personally understand why that would be a deal breaker for every single citizen. I am sure that some people do see beyond it, and recognise it as a fault in history. It just bothers me that any person should be restricted in the potential to buy a game/video/music/whatever because somebody else deems it to be wrong.

I mean, on Radio 1 the other day, I heard that an Asian country was banning the sales of certain songs that they felt were bad. This included a lot of Lady Gaga amongst others. It's like... Wow. Did they really just inflict that on their entire country? Needless to say, if people give a damn about music, they will find it.

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Reply #12 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 4:17pm

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Of course the swastica wasn't Hitlers invention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

But most of us assimilate the swastika to the Nazi regime and rightly so.

Flying with twins is a lot of fun..

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Reply #13 - Sep 2^nd, 2011 at 5:14pm

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I used to be addicted to Doom. Smiley

I understand the need to quash racism. It's a primative human trait that will run riot if allowed a free reign. However there are some things in Germany/ Europe today which are very questionable like the illegality of even debating certain issues.

But Doom was a great game! I played it for years and seem to remember getting through all levels eventually. Then went on to Serious Sam Smiley

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