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Aug 20th, 2011 at 10:07pm

Flight Ace   Offline
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I am currently running FSX with an i7 920 over clocked to 4 GHz. My GPU is a GTX 285. I am looking at replacing the GTX 285 with a GTX 580. I believe at the present that my current GTX 285 is a bottleneck to the i7 920 which accounts for some random graphics spikes, and some occasional painting lags. My FSX is loaded with software, and is maxed out for the best play on a 26 inch monitor. I would rate my current overall performance with FSX as excellent.

The obvious question is what will provide the best improvement (performance and picture quality) for FSX - an upgraded CPU or an upgraded GPU? Better stated, what is the balance between CPU and GPU for best results when running FSX? When does one become a bottleneck to the other?

Will appreciate any and all comments.

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Reply #1 - Aug 28th, 2011 at 2:53pm

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From what I know, the CPU is far far more important to FSX performance than the GPU. That said you have 4Ghz which is very good.

I think the GTX580 is a bit overkill for FSX considering how much they are.

I run a i2500K at 4.2Ghz using an old £100 ($150) ATI Graphics card and get smooth results everywhere even with most sliders maxed out, apart from traffic. I don't think if I spent £400 (in the UK) on a GTX580 it would make a whole lot of difference to my results.

Maybe get 8Gb RAM if you haven't already?

Just my thoughts.

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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2011 at 10:40pm

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Sean Grenyer wrote on Aug 28th, 2011 at 2:53pm:
From what I know, the CPU is far far more important to FSX performance than the GPU. That said you have 4Ghz which is very good.

I think the GTX580 is a bit overkill for FSX considering how much they are.

I run a i2500K at 4.2Ghz using an old £100 ($150) ATI Graphics card and get smooth results everywhere even with most sliders maxed out, apart from traffic. I don't think if I spent £400 (in the UK) on a GTX580 it would make a whole lot of difference to my results.

Maybe get 8Gb RAM if you haven't already?

Just my thoughts.

Sean


Sean,

Thank you for your input.

I was considering upgrading my current configuration with one of the following.

1.      New CPU (i7-980)which would be compatible with my current P6T Deluxe 1366 Motherboard and/or an upgraded GPU.

2.      Upgrading to an i7-2600K. This would require a new motherboard as well as RAM and would be the most costly.

In the meantime I have completed some research into how well the performance of the i7-980 and a GTX 480 compare to my current configuration. What I found is that in some cases it was the same, and in other cases a bit better up to 4.5GHz with excellent resolution. I'm sure that there are some who have done better. However, based on what I found, I am staying with my current configuration until the next generation systems are released. I am looking for, at a minimum, a comfortable 5 GHz capability.

I currently am running at 4 GHz, with my FSX settings maxed for my PC. I enjoy 20 plus FPS with smooth flight and excellent resolution just about anywhere in the world. For example look at the following screens taken from over and around LAX.

FPS is 31.8 and if you look closely you will see lights from people on the beach...

FPS is 24.1 with aircraft taxing, aircraft on approach, and one aircraft about to take off....

FPS is 33.6 with a view of Los Angeles that mirrors the real thing....

Software running on my machine include but is not limited to FSGenesis, Megascenery, Ultimate Airport, REX, GEX, UTX, etc.

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Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2011 at 1:02am
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IMHO going to a 2600K would not be a massive upgrade from a 920 @ >4ghz. And neither would an i7 980. If I had to choose I would get the 2600K then sell your current CPU, motherboard, and RAM which should get some of your money back. Or you could play the waiting game and wait until Sandy Bridge-E comes out at the end of the year. It's basically a 6 core version of the 2600K but with quad channel memory. It will cost about 550-600 and add a motherboard and RAM on top of that, but it should probably be a beast.

The 2500K has very similar performance to the 2600K but is $100 cheaper with a little less cache and no ht (fsx doesn't use it).

I don't know how big the difference between a gtx 285 and gtx 570/580 would be.
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2011 at 2:21am

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When on FSX, open the task manager and watch your CPU usage. If it's quite high, that's your bottleneck.
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 11th, 2011 at 10:03am

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I upgraded from a 285 to a 480 and found a nice boost in performance. There is double  the processing cores between the 2 cards. A 580 might be a little better. The 285 was bottlenecking my I 975 @ 4.3.   Skip
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2011 at 12:52pm

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bunky wrote on Sep 11th, 2011 at 10:03am:
I upgraded from a 285 to a 480 and found a nice boost in performance. There is double  the processing cores between the 2 cards. A 580 might be a little better. The 285 was bottlenecking my I 975 @ 4.3.   Skip


Skip,

Thanks for the tip.

I had thought that it might well be my GPU that was the cuprit holding back my performance. Because of this I added a couple of changes to my FSX CFG. The first was setting my Infinity Mask to 14. This changes core 0 to run only the fibers (scenery data, terrain textures, etc.), resulting in a more equal load across the remaining 3 physical cores. The second was changing my FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION setting from .33 to .20. This is the CPU time FSX devotes to loading scenery and textures. The default setting for FSX is.33. This variable determines the amount of CPU time given to loading scenery data as a fraction of the time spent rendering.

The result for me is going from 20 to 25 FPS flying from around LAX to 30 to 40 FPS circuling directly over LAX at 200 feet. And I might add a very smooooth flight with maxed out settings for PC.

And thanks to everyones' input as it does answer my original question as to a balance between GPU and CPU when it comes to one or the other bottlenecking. I believe that when an upscale CPU is running at 4 GHz or better and one experiences issues with performance, it's most likely to be the GPU that needs attention.

Regards,

Flight Ace
 

1.   Chaser MK-1 Full Tower ATX Computer Case
2.   Core i7 3770K 1155 Processor OC to 4.7 GHz
3.   ASUS Maximus V Gene Motherboard
4.   EVGA GTX580 1536MB Video Card
5.   16 GB C8 G.SKILL Low Profile RAM
6.   Noctua NH-D14 CPU Cooler
7.   240 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
8.   120 GB OCZ Agility 3 SSD
9.   1 TB Backup Drive
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