Simviation Forum - Red Arrow jet crashes at U.K. air festival

Aug 20^th, 2011 at 10:51am

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Early reports say pilot is safe
http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2011/08/20/red-arrows-plane-crash.html

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Reply #1 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 11:03am

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Rough airshow season this year

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Reply #2 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

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I hope the initial reports are correct. We're not having a good season in England with airshows this year.
I wonder if they we're displaying at Shoreham, in which case Doug will probably have more info later when he gets home....

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Reply #3 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:44pm

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Our annual show at KBJC, Jeffco(Rocky Mountain Metro) in Broomfield, CO is the 26th, 27th & 28th of Aug. The last incident here was in '97.

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Reply #4 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 1:01pm

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If The British continue having airshows like this, Why aren't politicians being put as pilots? Would make good publicity though Grin

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Reply #5 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 1:22pm

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updated info http://www.airshowbuzz.com/go/article/view/military_performers/raf_red_arrows/24...

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Reply #6 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 2:42pm

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The MoD have announced the death of Flight Lieutenant Jon Egging Cry

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Reply #7 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 2:45pm

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Sad day http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14602900

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Reply #8 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:00pm

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The only consolation is that it happened after the display. Not good at all. RIP.

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Reply #9 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:08pm

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We'll have to wait for the crash report but initial commentary sounds like the aircraft suffered a failure and Flt. Lt. Egging gave his life to avoid others being hurt Cry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8713429/Red-Arrows-pilot-killed-i...

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Reply #10 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:23pm

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A little bit more info;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14602900
The Arrows first fatality sine 1978...

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Reply #11 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:27pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

I wonder if they we're displaying at Shoreham, in which case Doug will probably have more info later when he gets home....

The Red Arrows have never displayed at Shoreham. Very sorry to hear the news. Cry

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Reply #12 - Aug 20^th, 2011 at 9:08pm

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Very sad. Prayers to the families and the team

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pilot-killed-in-british-airplane-stunt-team-cras...

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Reply #13 - Aug 21^st, 2011 at 6:21am

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ozzy72 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2011 at 3:08pm:

We'll have to wait for the crash report but initial commentary sounds like the aircraft suffered a failure.

In the bigger picture of this tragedy, it was rather lucky then that any failure happened when it did and not in a formation or synchro pair manoeuvre for example, thought I realise that the Reds have contingency manoeuvres for such times, however..........

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Reply #14 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 3:15am

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Investigators say the incident may be the result of a bird strike

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Reply #15 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 5:39am

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Sakura wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 3:15am:

Investigators say the incident may be the result of a bird strike

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Potentially could be. That's one of the bigger dangers of single engine jets, particularly near coastal locations, where the birds tend to be bigger.

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Reply #16 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 5:41am

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Sakura wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 3:15am:

Investigators say the incident may be the result of a bird strike

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He would not be the first to have bird in the engine and have bird shatter the canopy and enter the cockpit or even just the cockpit. That could explain why he ejected at the stage he did, possibly severe disorientation or semi consciousness.

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Reply #17 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 5:46am

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That said, if it is a birdstrike, it's relatively (in the circumstances, and no consolation to family and friends) good news, as it's a known risk as opposed to a technical failure of some description.

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Reply #18 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 5:54am

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C wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 5:46am:

That said, if it is a birdstrike, it's relatively (in the circumstances, and no consolation to family and friends) good news, as it's a known risk as opposed to a technical failure of some description.

The engineer in me wanted to say exactly that. However being ex-serviceman and having worked on aircraft for the last 24 years, my viewpoint does not always sit with what people want to hear at such times as this, so I keep my mouth closed.

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Reply #19 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 6:32pm

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I've said from the very start I would expect the outcome to be a birdstrike. It's a shame that its happend, and it seems like the pilots made the ultimate sacrifice to save others.
The question would be, what radio traffic was passed between red 4 and the team from point of failure to the crash.

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Reply #20 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 6:55pm

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Craig. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 6:32pm:

The question would be, what radio traffic was passed between red 4 and the team from point of failure to the crash.

It'll all be on tape. I suspect very little, if any.

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Reply #21 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 7:00pm

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I dont expect there will be much either. but I'd be surprised if he wasn't able to get something out. Then again if this has happend a few hundred feet up, I doubt his first thoughts were to hit the mic button, if he's worried about getting away from other people.

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Reply #22 - Aug 22^nd, 2011 at 7:02pm

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That's some bad news to come back home to Sad

Just... Wow. That is some bad news.

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Reply #23 - Aug 23^rd, 2011 at 6:11am

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Well. This is not a lucky year for aviation Sad

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