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Reply #15 - Aug 10th, 2011 at 8:50pm

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BigTruck wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 4:48pm:
If you are living in snow and ice conditions I would recommend a front wheel drive or 4 wheel drive vehicle.  A mustang or camaro will kill you in the winter.   I'd say go with a 4 wheel drive truck.  You have hauling capacity and off road capability.  Plus you can score some free beer hauling stuff for people who drive tiny save the planet cars.
Note BigTruck's first sentence and realize: when there is no load in the back, a truck without front wheel drive can be worse than Mustang, Camaro or any other standard tranny car.

Steve M wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 7:53pm:
...if your only tools are a pen, paper and a laptop those hybrids are getting better every year.
They're currently rather expensive, too few used trade-ins; due to what I mentioned in the previous post, we're not likely to see any other more efficient form for some time.



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Reply #16 - Aug 24th, 2011 at 8:56pm

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Look for something with AWD First given where you have to drive, like a used WRX or Lancer, Subaru Outback, Subaru Legacy.

A Jeep Grand Cherokee, or regular Cherokee will work too, for the love of god stay away from a Wrangler, they are the worst vehicles, they only do 1 thing right and that is off road. For a daily driver they suck ass, get horrid MPG, lack power, and our outfitted like a Korean War area military truck, as in nothing special with them. If you can't a ford to keep up with maintenance and fuel on a 03+ Land Rover, stay away from. 

If you can find a 4x4 Ranger Extended Cap, or 2 Door or 4 door Explorer, they work too. And the money you save with a used small 4x4, you can get a rear diff locker, they come in so handy in the snow.
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:27pm

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Hybrids are a joke... and the ones in the USA are even worse compared to what we get in Europe.

Everyone who calls himself environmentally conscious when buying a Prius or whatever other hybrid should spend a week in Norilsk before signing the contract, as that is the place where the majority of your battery components comes from.

Ok that was the rant
Now the advice: check which garages you have in your area, especially if you are going for a Subaru... most universal garages dont have a clue with anything non-standard (trust me i have experience and paid the price).

Saab's are good in snow too, as are Volvo's...
 

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Reply #18 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 9:29pm

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Ivan wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:27pm:
Hybrids are a joke...


I'm going to go further and say that yes, electric motors are the future of car transportation, BUT the batteries MUST GO. Another system MUST be devised. Be it hydrogen fuel cells or other more sci-fi at the moment solutions. Beside the pollution of spent batteries, they have the stocking capacity of a thimble carved out of a neutron star matter, an autonomy that to define it pitiful means showing off your ironic streak and a recharging time that is simply impossible to manage.

At the moment, stick with traditional engines, but modern and fuel saving ones... unless you live in the States, where petrol is cheaper than beer.
 

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Reply #19 - Nov 11th, 2011 at 3:24pm

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Everyone is forgetting the main point......What is the vehicle being used for?
If it's for getting to school/work with little or nothing to carry then something compact and economic will surfice.
If it's to be used for work and carrying moderate amounts of equipment then an estate (Station Wagon to our US members) might be a sensible option or a small truck/pickup/van.
If it's for carrying loads of people  about then once again the estate or a larger saloon car or MPV.
Take into account extremes of weather then decide if 4x4 is necessary .......!
Also take into account the experience of the driver before strapping them into some growling snarling high powered donor maker.
It aint rocket science.
 

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Reply #20 - Nov 11th, 2011 at 10:28pm

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eno wrote on Nov 11th, 2011 at 3:24pm:
Everyone is forgetting the main point......What is the vehicle being used for?


This reasoning is OK for those who can afford, and more importantly can PARK, multiple cars, but poor commoners living where there's a dearth of parking spots the like of myself... they must make due with ONE single car capable to answer to ALL their needs.
 

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Reply #21 - Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:37am

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..or, like me...

Ride a motorcycle, with everything carried in a giant Haversack on my back!... Wink...!

Paul.... Grin... Grin...!

Transporting the new Refrigerator/Lawn Mower, etc, back home, is always a bit of a problem... Undecided...!
 

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Reply #22 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:08pm

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Strategic Retreat wrote on Nov 11th, 2011 at 10:28pm:
This reasoning is OK for those who can afford, and more importantly can PARK, multiple cars, but poor commoners living where there's a dearth of parking spots the like of myself... they must make due with ONE single car capable to answer to ALL their needs.


Exactly my point ...... what's the main use?

Fozzer wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
..or, like me...

Ride a motorcycle, with everything carried in a giant Haversack on my back!... Wink...!

Paul.... Grin... Grin...!

Transporting the new Refrigerator/Lawn Mower, etc, back home, is always a bit of a problem... Undecided...!


Paul ...... we all know you're a bit eccentric ...... but aint ya heard of a sidecar ..... ?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin Grin Grin Wink Wink Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:51pm

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eno wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Fozzer wrote on Nov 12th, 2011 at 11:37am:
..or, like me...

Ride a motorcycle, with everything carried in a giant Haversack on my back!... Wink...!

Paul.... Grin... Grin...!

Transporting the new Refrigerator/Lawn Mower, etc, back home, is always a bit of a problem... Undecided...!


Paul ...... we all know you're a bit eccentric ...... but aint ya heard of a sidecar ..... ?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Grin Grin Grin Wink Wink Wink


.... Grin... Grin...!

Been there...done it...had loads of them since the 1950's... Wink...!

'trubble is, modern motorcycles are not designed to have Sidecars fitted to them nowadays....(no attaching lugs)
..(in fact it invalidates the warranty if they are fitted).
...also they now take up the same amount of room on the roads as motor cars, in modern traffic jams!

I just get wet and cold, (with a brave smile on my face), on my solo Motor-bike... Cool...!

Paul....Zero Parking Fees!...Grin...!
 

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Reply #24 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:39pm

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eno wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Exactly my point ...... what's the main use?


ALL of them, or almost, from time to time. Tongue

A perfect waste of money to buy a city car if you then need to travel beyond your city. Another waste to buy a micro car if you then must transport something voluminous. If your needs may vary, to buy a specialized car means you are crippling yourself or condemning yourself to buy more than one car. Better something that can do a little of everything, no? Smiley
 

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Reply #25 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 4:13pm

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Strategic Retreat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:39pm:
eno wrote on Nov 15th, 2011 at 1:08pm:
Exactly my point ...... what's the main use?


ALL of them, or almost, from time to time. Tongue

A perfect waste of money to buy a city car if you then need to travel beyond your city. Another waste to buy a micro car if you then must transport something voluminous. If your needs may vary, to buy a specialized car means you are crippling yourself or condemning yourself to buy more than one car. Better something that can do a little of everything, no? Smiley


...A small Van/Pick-up truck... Wink...!

General Purpose!

Paul... Cool...!
 

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Reply #26 - Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:48pm

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VW Eurovan... Works in snow, mud, 40C heat

And about motorbikes with sidecars: get an Ural motorbike... also available with twin powered wheels
 

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Reply #27 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:23am

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Forget all this fuel economy stuff, the first thing that he should consider is reliability - and for your price range, this actually rules out most European and American auto manufactures.

So if you want a sensible car, go get an AWD CR-V. It's economic and unbelievably reliable. It's also not underpowered, hauls just fine, and the steering is surprisingly sharp, so it's surprisingly fun to drive.

But if that's not your cup of tea (it wasn't mine), here's what you should stay away from that people haven't mentioned:

1. Rally cars. This includes the Evos and WRXs that people above me mentioned. Granted they are very fun to drive, but they make you look like a rice burner and you're just asking for high insurance premiums. I can take more than 80% of the turns here in Springfield, IL at 40+ MPH in my F-150 (5.0L with limited-slip diff). That is excessive even in my book and there is absolutely no reason why you need to do better. So there is absolutely no reason why you should own a rally car.

2. V6 muscle cars. Nothing wrong with them per se, but I would NEVER pay for a brand new one, let alone a used one. Those things have awful resale values where I come from, so I would recommend staying away from them.

3. Vans of any sort. They are not cool and I would not even wish them onto my enemies.

4. Sub-compacts. They're excellent city cruisers, but nothing short of a plastic death trap on the freeway.

5. The RAV-4. I rented one recently and wanted to drive it off a cliff. It made me lose my will to live.

So now, if you want something very cool and under $25,000, here are my suggestions:

If you're grandpa is paying cash (and this is important, because financing on these cars will be VERY VERY EXPENSIVE):

1. 2009-2010 F-150 (New or slightly used). I did a walk around last time I was getting my oil changed, and they're going for pocket change. I think you can get a SuperCab XLT 4x4 for just around 25k if you negotiate well. Two caveats though. First, don't get the ecoboost, its only 1 mpg better than my 5.0 and you only get that at low rpms (so if you tow or drive with a lead foot, it goes away), the torque boost is impressive but not worth the $3000 that they want over the 5.0, and most importantly, its unproven so repair costs can run you bankrupt if Ford didn't get it right. Second, these trucks will run your insurance through the roof, I'm paying 1,300 per 6 months with AAA.

2. A Toyota Tundra. They're slightly cheaper than than the F-150 and slightly more reliable. However, Toyota is much less likely to budge with the price and because its not Detroit, I want to kill it with fire.

3. 7-10 year old premium Mustang. You can easily find a Mach 1 or a GT500 at Ford dealerships. Go for one with low miles and has been babied. You can get a '03 Mach 1 with low miles for about 15k, so they're well within your price range. These cars have already gone through most of their depreciation hill, so the cost of ownership should be fairly low. However, you have to pick well to get a well built one and I will kill you personally if you drove it in the snow.
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:30am

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H wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 8:50pm:
BigTruck wrote on Aug 10th, 2011 at 4:48pm:
If you are living in snow and ice conditions I would recommend a front wheel drive or 4 wheel drive vehicle.  A mustang or camaro will kill you in the winter.   I'd say go with a 4 wheel drive truck.  You have hauling capacity and off road capability.  Plus you can score some free beer hauling stuff for people who drive tiny save the planet cars.
[color=#003300]Note BigTruck's first sentence and realize: when there is no load in the back, a truck without front wheel drive can be worse than Mustang, Camaro or any other standard tranny car.
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This is false. 1/2 ton and heavier trucks now got limited slip/locking differentials and excellent traction controls. My F-150 drives better on a foot of snow than a Prius on a rainy day.
 
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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 10:41am

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$25,000.... Shocked... Shocked...!
...+ running costs...

Blimey!
That's more money than I have been able to save in a lifetime! (77 Years)... Shocked...!

I can see now why I ride a Motor-bike!... Wink...!

Paul...Meep-meep....Wet, Cold, and Wealthy!..Cool...!

Ivan wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:48pm:
And about motorbikes with sidecars: get an Ural motorbike... also available with twin powered wheels


A Urinal, complete with a Sidecar, is definitely the way to go!... Grin...!

http://www.ural.com/
 

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