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Chinook down (Read 940 times)
Aug 6
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I have placed this in "General" and not "real aviation" because the story has the potential to be about more than an aircraft crash.
It will most probably, no WILL be the food of thought on every conspiricy website on the WWW, but it would appear that Seal Team Six of Bin Laden fame or members of the team have been killed in said crash/shoot down. Now some would say that ties up all loose ends in the Bin Laden story for those who believe that he is still at large or such
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Aug 6
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HOORAY for the CIA
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I just feel for the families who have lost loved ones in this terrible tragedy
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Some gave all.
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Aug 6
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expat wrote
on Aug 6
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Now some would say that ties up all loose ends in the Bin Laden story for those who believe that he is still at large or such
Matt
Didn't you know? The government released pictures of bin Laden's funeral.
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ozzy72 wrote
on Aug 6
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, 2011 at 7:07pm:
I just feel for the families who have lost loved ones in this terrible tragedy
You are quite right, but some will always try and make a profit from such a tragedy.
Webb wrote
on Aug 6
th
, 2011 at 11:01pm:
expat wrote
on Aug 6
th
, 2011 at 1:05pm:
Now some would say that ties up all loose ends in the Bin Laden story for those who believe that he is still at large or such
Matt
Didn't you know? The government released pictures of bin Laden's funeral.
I know I should not laugh, but.............
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Sad
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. But I wonder what caused the accident
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Officials, witnesses and the Taliban have said the Chinook was shot down by insurgents during a combat mission.
The helicopter went down in a district of Wardak province, west of Kabul, early on Saturday.
The presence of at least 17 of the Seals has led to speculation that they were involved in a highly significant operation, such as targeting a high-ranking figure in the insurgency.
Read more (BBC
. Oh boy.
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Airstrike Kills Taliban Militants Who Shot Down Helicopter
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The commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan says an airstrike has killed the militants responsible for last week's helicopter crash that killed 38 Americans and Afghans ...
General John Allen told reporters at the Pentagon via videoconference Wednesday that a coalition air raid killed the Taliban insurgents responsible for bringing down the helicopter in Wardak.
In a separate statement, NATO said the precision airstrike Tuesday killed Taliban leader Mullah Mohibullah and the insurgent who "fired the shot associated with" the downing of the CH-47 helicopter in the Tangi Valley.
The coalition said special operations forces tracked down Mohibullah and the shooter after receiving information from local citizens. The two men were attempting to flee the country to avoid capture ...
I'll bet those guys will think twice before trying to shoot down another American helicopter.
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I bet the conspiracy nuts are wetting themselves at this. The only one left alive is the guy who keeps being airbrushed out of the White House pictures, and then appears back again, Mr "Yellow Tie"
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I've heard some people say that this was a calculated strike by the Taliban and that they did it to get the team who killed Bin Laden. My question is, how would they know who was on the helicopter? Even if they knew, then they must have known that the SEAL "Team Six" members aboard were not the same people who were involved in the Bin Laden raid. More than likely the Taliban guys pointed to the horizon ans said "Hey, here comes an American helicopter. Quick, get the rocket launcher!"
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They knew the route that American choppers would take into the battle zone and out of the battle zone. It was orchestrated so that the initial firefight would have the rangers calling in for backup (the chopper) and while the backup was helping secure the first scene, the taliban were setting up the ambush knowing that the chopper would be returning through that valley.
They had no way of knowing who was on the chopper, they just knew it was American.
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So the US military has learned nothing since Mogadishu, 1983 (Black Hawk Down)?
Don't fly predictable routes!
Especially helicopters!
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Not much choice in much of those areas of high terrain in Afghan. Those combat loaded choppers don't fly that high, especially in high altitude terrain. They have to utilize valleys.
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Good strategy, then. The same way Ho Chi Minh won his war.
What do you think they will rename Kabul - Osama bin Laden City?
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BigTruck wrote
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Not much choice in much of those areas of high terrain in Afghan. Those combat loaded choppers don't fly that high, especially in high altitude terrain. They have to utilize valleys.
I just thought of a probably very stupid idea. put one of those helicopters in the backs of one of those big, high-flying cargo planes. when close to the target, have the cargo plane desend to an altitude where the helicopters would be able to gain lift, open the rear cargo door, push the helicopters out with engines running and if possible rotors spinning. That way, they only have to make the trip back and they hopefully won't be able to get ready for an ambush at the site.
I know. Stupid idea, but it's an idea and I'm not military!
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In theory that's a good strategy, but a CH47 has to fold its blades to fit in the back of a C5, our largest cargo bird, let alone open them up and have them spinning for an aerial insertion.
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Well I said it was a stupid idea! What did you expect?
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Club508 wrote
on Aug 12
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, 2011 at 10:20am:
BigTruck wrote
on Aug 12
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, 2011 at 12:43am:
Not much choice in much of those areas of high terrain in Afghan. Those combat loaded choppers don't fly that high, especially in high altitude terrain. They have to utilize valleys.
I just thought of a probably very stupid idea. put one of those helicopters in the backs of one of those big, high-flying cargo planes. when close to the target, have the cargo plane desend to an altitude where the helicopters would be able to gain lift, open the rear cargo door, push the helicopters out with engines running and if possible rotors spinning. That way, they only have to make the trip back and they hopefully won't be able to get ready for an ambush at the site.
I know. Stupid idea, but it's an idea and I'm not military!
Or they could put agm-65s or MK-84s for self defence. Cause clearly 50.cal guns are'nt good enough.
Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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Club508 wrote
on Aug 12
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, 2011 at 10:20am:
BigTruck wrote
on Aug 12
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, 2011 at 12:43am:
Not much choice in much of those areas of high terrain in Afghan. Those combat loaded choppers don't fly that high, especially in high altitude terrain. They have to utilize valleys.
I just thought of a probably very stupid idea. put one of those helicopters in the backs of one of those big, high-flying cargo planes. when close to the target, have the cargo plane desend to an altitude where the helicopters would be able to gain lift, open the rear cargo door, push the helicopters out with engines running and if possible rotors spinning. That way, they only have to make the trip back and they hopefully won't be able to get ready for an ambush at the site.
I know. Stupid idea, but it's an idea and I'm not military!
The rotors would snap off. Good fantasy, terrible idea
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How about an Osprey?
It might not work but it would be a good way to get rid of them.
Just make sure everyone on board gets a parachute.
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Guess No one likes the Idea of 2000 lb bombs and AGMs
Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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hyperpep111 wrote
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Guess No one likes the Idea of 2000 lb bombs and AGMs
Remember, more than half the mission is to protect the civilians, not blow them to ten buck two!
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(there actually is a place called ten buck two along the Nile River)
You mean Timbuktu which is near the River Niger.
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Hagar wrote
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Club508 wrote
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(there actually is a place called ten buck two along the Nile River)
You mean Timbuktu which is near the River Niger.
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Hagar wrote
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Club508 wrote
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(there actually is a place called ten buck two along the Nile River)
You mean Timbuktu which is near the River Niger.
This is the other place: it was named for a fellow who encamped by the Nile, lazing in his lounge chair. He had ten buck teeth and was known by the locals, in their own accent, as Ten Bucktoo'.
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