hyperpep111 wrote on Aug 1^st, 2011 at 3:20am:


It is sometimes SO strange to see how easily people, even those in the hobby, tend to forget X-plane 9 and the soon to come 10. Maybe because it is not as... gamey as FS/Flight?

Whatever Aerosoft may want to do... it will have to contend against X-.plane 9/10 on the flight simulator side, and Flight on the game side. I can't see them doing exceptionally good... at least on first.

And before you assemble a mob with torches and pitchforks... it is NOT ME who thinks as Flight (or even the old FS brand) as game..

BUT M$ THEMSELVES

. So there.

For last, undoubtedly FSX is a lot of fun, if your hobby is to tweak a program/sim/game INCESSANTLY without having a moment of peace and almost never being able to use it without an issue or thirty-four getting out of the bushes to continuously mob you. If you want to have fun sim-flying (and I'm saying NOTHING new) you MUST go elsewhere. No doubts Flight will have the weaknesses of its direct predecessor ironed out (at least we dare hope it will), but seen the will of M$ t0o transform it in a game is maybe even more keen lately than it was in the past... and I'm not referring to the (foreboding) drop of the "Simulator" part only, but to the seemingly sure slaving of the new Flight to THEIR own website ONLY for add-ons... thing this that if, as it seems, will happen because of the latest trend in M$ of HAVING to be control freaks, it will be cause for me to ultimately divorce M$ software for sim-flight (of course I mean it regarding new versions, as LIKE HELL I'm going to renounce FS9 any time soon) and go X-plane permanently... and/or maybe Aerosoft Sim too (depending on their approach to flight simulation).

Yes but. There are some people who are sticking to Microsoft like glue Hoping that the next release will come out with their expectations and when it comes out they are disappointed and The cycle starts again. I personally will be moving to Flightgear if it comes out for Directx and if it doesn't I will install Linux.

raptor22ms wrote on Aug 1^st, 2011 at 9:34am:


The part quoted above (...not to speak about the rest...) tells me you never used X-plane and go by hearsay, since in X-plane one of my personal pet peeves is that at the start you ARE ALWAYS ON THE RUNWAY and there is no way (that I know) to make it behave differently. You wake on the runway AND THEN you can move elsewhere.

But about the controls, I think you are right. They are different from FS and not all the GAMERS want to spend the wealth of one hour of their life to understand how they work... only to then decide to spend twice the same amount of time gladly on learning the different commands of CFS, soon after.

True is, they at Laminar Research could have made the control similar to FS... but MOST PROBABLY, M$ would have NEVER missed the chance to SUE their communal rear ends off for even that silliness, so they had to make due (and nothing forbids you to edit the keys to your personal liking, anyway).

I won't buy it if:

*You can't get free addons from the community developers like you always could
*M$ has control on add-ons
*It is more a game than a simulator even with sliders maxed.

I WILL buy it if:

*You can download free addons regularly on sites like this and other community Flight sites
*It can behave like a real aircraft
*It can have realistic Google Earth style scenery so that my flights can replicate real flights
*I don't have to keep spending money to get more addons.


The enthusiasts for home flight simulation are out there. I am not sure MS Flight will meet their needs. I would not be hopeful about a small addon company like aerosoft having the resources (which is $millions) to develop a good alternative.

There is still some hope that other sims from $billion companies may rise to meet our needs. - Or the community can develop ourselves 'Flightgear' - which can be as good as FSX if it was developed.

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Again I agree. Sad but i agree .

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As usual Strategic you speak allot of sense. .And i completely agree with you.

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And that it is open source, And that it works on pretty much every platform and that it is more frame rate friendly? And that it has a few more advanced systems than fsx?

But you cant say flight gear is contempt.
It is not worthless it is actually pretty good.

-Andy- wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 5:07am:



I simply won't be buying it, as I will be starting real world flying lessons at the beginning of next summer

-Jake

-Andy- wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 5:07am:


I'm not quite sure what aspect of google earth you are referring to, but...

No flight simulator that replicates an entire world will be covered with photoscenery and autogen by default. It simply won't happen and the installation size would be incredibly large. Accurately/detailed  landclasses are the way to go, and for the popular/big cities, maybe they can use some photoscenery mixed in as they always have.

-Andy- wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2011 at 5:07am:

Well. I guess you ain't buying it. 

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Yeah. and if it goes payware people will start going mad and running around screaming saying that we have lost a quality game e.t.c. Ironic

And as far as graphics go, from the trailer all that has changed is:
That blue haze of fsx has now been replaced by a realistic mist...
The trees now look more realistic.
There are a few more buildings.
And a few others.

I'm sure if one of us starts messing with fsx graphics we can create trees and the mist. My annoying thing is that in fsx there is fog but when you climb to about normal airliner cruise altitude, It's gone. We need to find it

I think the problem is that Bill Gates was a marketer and a geek and Steve Ballmer is a geek. Billl gates knew what the market and brought in what he thought the market wanted. And it worked out pretty well for them. Steve Jobs has his way of doing it and it works out great for them. Steve Ballmer is a geek and he brings in what is good for technology and not the customers. And Now they are trying to do an apple? They will be dropped by some customers like hot coal. Do not try to beat people in their own game, Or should i say simulator .

Strategic Retreat wrote on Aug 6^th, 2011 at 5:32am:

FlightGear is open source software & there are already payware versions available. Flight Pro Sim & Pro Flight Simulator are two examples.