Simviation Forum - Piaggio P.119

May 21^st, 2011 at 7:13pm

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Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am

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An Italian copy of the P-39? Roll Eyes

You've once again plumbed the depths of the esoteric. Grin

Altogether a nice looking little ship, Pepe. Wink

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Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2011 at 12:51pm

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Tango_Romeo wrote on May 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

An Italian copy of the P-39? Roll Eyes

You've once again plumbed the depths of the esoteric. Grin

Altogether a nice looking little ship, Pepe. Wink

But you must admit its a very fun plane to fly...

I'm always wandering if we really need another BF109. But we really need B-25s and yours are very fine. Why not a B-28? It was a fantastic plane. And some special A-20 version, as the one with a very huge Soviet turret?

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Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2011 at 9:53pm

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peperez wrote on May 24^th, 2011 at 12:51pm:

But you must admit its a very fun plane to fly...

I'm always wandering if we really need another BF109. But we really need B-25s and yours are very fine. Why not a B-28? It was a fantastic plane. And some special A-20 version, as the one with a very huge Soviet turret?

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I suppose it's because doing MDLs takes so many hours and so few people want to fly the one with the huge Soviet turret. Grin

Plus a good design job requires that the designer be motivated, which usually means that he is really in love with the subject. And that huge Soviet turret plane has a face only a mother could love. Grin

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Reply #4 - May 25^th, 2011 at 12:09pm

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Tango_Romeo wrote on May 24^th, 2011 at 9:53pm:

I suppose it's because doing MDLs takes so many hours and so few people want to fly the one with the huge Soviet turret. Grin

Plus a good design job requires that the designer be motivated, which usually means that he is really in love with the subject. And that huge Soviet turret plane has a face only a mother could love. Grin

Remember you say the same about the Guardian and look how many downloads it have...

Cheesy

You can not minimize the number of crazy peoples, like me, that love to fly ugly ducks... Bismarck and Payakan built a lot of them, with great success. About the Soviet A-20 you just need to modify an existing plane. About strange things, did you look the Ushakov LPL image I uploaded here?

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Reply #5 - May 25^th, 2011 at 6:35pm

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BUT how many people flew the Guardian more than once before putting her in the hangar? Wink

Also, there are about five B-25 variants within a couple of pages of the Guardian, all of which have more downloads. Cheesy

Modifiying an existing aircraft can sometimes be one heck of a time-consuming job. Cool

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Reply #6 - May 29^th, 2011 at 9:05pm

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Tango_Romeo wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

BUT how many people flew the Guardian more than once before putting her in the hangar? Wink

Many of them must be shooting against it, but is part of the game...

Tango_Romeo wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

Also, there are about five B-25 variants within a couple of pages of the Guardian, all of which have more downloads. Cheesy

As I said, there was a need for B-25s

Tango_Romeo wrote on May 25^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

Modifiying an existing aircraft can sometimes be one heck of a time-consuming job. Cool

I know that, despite being only an airfile man... But we can not think in the Eastern Front without Yak 2 and Yak 4 bombers. Or P-40E equiped with M105 engines. They did a very useful effort to fight German invaders, and there's none avaiable. Talking about American and British planes, we have no Warwick and the only Lodestar avaiable is a CFS one by Alpha. I'm not going into the What If realm with all Curtiss fighters prototypes, but we still need a P-47B and P-47C.

All these planes deserves be in CFS2...

With all respect your work and you deserve.

Your friend Pepe

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Reply #7 - May 30^th, 2011 at 6:36am

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Tango_Romeo wrote on May 24^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

An Italian copy of the P-39? Roll Eyes

A P39 replica, with all its drawbacks, would have been a HUGE step forward nonetheless in the Italian air force in WWII (and the P119 goes back to 1943 for the experimental one... too little, too late). Sadly our pilots as a rule were given planes that, if weren't biplanes still (FIAT CR32/42) were only slightly better (Macchi C200). Tongue

Sure, some planes that could slug it with the best on the other side WERE actually built (FIAT G55, Macchi C205 and Reggiane 2005) around the BMW and Daimler-Benz engines the Germans allowed us to copy (we SUCKED in building aircraft engines in those days), but were RARE and WAY FAR in between on the battlefields. The bulk of the national defense and air superiority planes were old rickety and slow... and most of the times with two order of wings, against P47, P51, and Spitfires. Way to go. Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - May 31^st, 2011 at 11:47am

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Yep, all in all, it's a pity Italian aircraft couldn't match Italian cars. Wink

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Reply #9 - May 31^st, 2011 at 5:12pm

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Tango_Romeo wrote on May 31^st, 2011 at 11:47am:

Yep, all in all, it's a pity Italian aircraft couldn't match Italian cars. Wink

They had god designers, but also had bad generals and polititian. Instead of concentrate efforts in one airplane, they ordered four aircraft in 1938 bid: Fiat CR42, Fiat G.50, Macchi 200 and Reggiane 2000. In my opinion, only MC.200 and Re.2000 deserved to be build. Roberto Longhi, in an article published in an Air Enthusiast, described how conservative thinking contaminated Regia Aeronautica efforts. One general, looking at Re.2000, said to Longhi that engine and cowling arrangement will cause an engine fire! He demanded Longhi to redesign cowling for something similar to MC.200 and Fiat G.50 arrangement. One can imagine how efective Regia Aeronautica could be equiped with something similar to MC.202 since 1939. Italian generals snub a German offer to produce DB601 engines in 1939! Only in 1941 they began to be produced by Alfa Romeo.

In a what if universe, free from official incompetence, you can project a Regia Aeronautica equiped with 2,000 MC.202, complemented with 1,000 Re.2000 for long range missions, in 1940. This could be a powerful and effective air force.

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