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Apr 27^th, 2011 at 12:29pm

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Hallo Freunde!

I was recently flying into Princess Juliana Airport, St. Maarten in a CRJ series aircraft. It was all jolly and well until I got my Approach vectors, ATC tried to ferry me across the island to approach and land on Runway 27, Sad

Now as far as I know this isn't even a valid approach to the airport, as there is a nicely sized mountain right before the beginning of the runway. I went ahead and tried this landing and failed miserably (the approach was a bit like trying to land at St.Barts). So I researched this and turns out that TNCM always uses runway 9/10 regardless of weather conditions.
My question: is there a way I can modify the airport to "close" runway 27/28 so that runway 9/10 is the only valid approach?

And another query: I frequently visit my hometowns airport, Lubbock. This area is known for its crazy weather conditions and frequent wind storms. But regardless of the weather conditions that atc always seems to set me up to land on runway 17, no matter if there is a 30 knot crosswind. (Mind you we have a perfectly good runway perpendicular to runway 17 [Runway 26]). So is there a way to "open" runway 26 for traffic?

Thanks for the answers mates!

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Reply #1 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 1:11pm

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Try removing the start location for runway 27, that sometimes does it.

How long is runway 26? If not long enough for your plane (jets require something around 6500 ft), then ATC will use the other runway. Also, if you have modified the runways at this airport (renamed, added, deleted, etc.) sometimes you'll only get one choice after that, for some odd reason.

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Reply #2 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 1:23pm

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I fly 737's and CRj-700's out of my hometown, The runway is indeed long enough (some 8000 ft so). And Runway 26 is actually used more than Runway 17 in the real world here. I fly FSX so im not completely sure how to remove start locations or modify the airports (as with AFCAD in FS9). Anymore information would be greatly appreciated.

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Reply #3 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 12:21pm

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You could do it with ADE9X, but it does have a bit longer learning curve than AFCAD.

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Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2011 at 1:58pm

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If you know how to use AFCAD, you know how to use ADE9x. The only thing slowing down your design, at least on first, are some differences in how some commands and options are positioned, but with a little attention (and a little more time, until you get into gear with it) you can put together not only a working project as well as under the old AFCAD, but even more spectacular thanks to the new options. Wink

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Reply #5 - May 13^th, 2011 at 7:31am

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Hi,

Did you try asking ATC for different runway? The one you wanted, that might have worked.

AED9X is similar to Afcad, Afcad was easier to learn the basics than aed9x.

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Reply #6 - May 13^th, 2011 at 1:44pm

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Hi,

Unless the runways are parallel (or made that way by the star runways technique) ATC will let you approach the other runway, but then gives a command "circle to land" on the original runway...

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Reply #7 - May 13^th, 2011 at 3:05pm

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tgibson wrote on May 13^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

Unless the runways are parallel (or made that way by the star runways technique) ATC will let you approach the other runway, but then gives a command "circle to land" on the original runway...

Of course it does. Default ATC puts wind vector importance ABOVE visibility (and RWY substance), so if you're landing on an airport which has ONE only runway with ILS, you better PRAY the wind blows correct way to use the rwy with the ILS, or eve if you have a CAT III situation, the ATC will send you on the non-ILS rwy, always, and won't hear reasons. Sad

Same goes about the RWY substance. They, the simulated imbeciles, think the know SO much better than us... Angry

A solution there though is to accept the ILS with go around, and... LAND ON THE ILS (or correct substance) RWY. Tongue

Beside a lame "You were not cleared to land. Contact ground on..." or something, they will do nothing to you... and when it happened to me, an umbrella gesture of a one finger salute (depending on my mood) always followed said lame, lame reproach. Grin

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