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Apr 19^th, 2011 at 4:57pm

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I've been using CFS2 for years with few problems but a strange thing has suddenly began to happen. Whenever I get a good guns hit on an enemy aircraft the sim crashes. I get the message MS CFS Module has encountered a problem and needs to close. Further information given is: Error signature: CFS2.exe V. 7.50.0.917 Mod name acontain.dll mod ver. 7.50.0.917 offset 000044d2

I've tried deleting the CDP files, reinstalling the acontain.dll file from the disc and a new CFS2.cfg file but no change. The only other thing I can think of to try is a game re installation. I know there are some really knowledgeable people on this forum. Perhaps somebody has some idea as to what has gone wrong?

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Reply #1 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 7:08pm

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The only suggestion that I can make (other than a reinstall), is to replace the CFS2.EXE file, which may be corrupted. Tongue

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But maybe another member has a better idea. Questioning

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Reply #2 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 12:06am

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Thanks for the suggestion TR. I tried that but no difference.

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Reply #3 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 3:36am

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Does this problem occur no matter which aircraft you are flying and no matter which aircraft you are shooting at? Undecided

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Reply #4 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 6:22am

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Did you change something for the graphic or sound drivers ? (update or setup)

Explosion might invoque a call to a driver function that make everything crash. (smoke or fire transparency comes to my mind)

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Reply #5 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

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Coligny wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

Did you change something for the graphic or sound drivers ? (update or setup)

Explosion might invoque a call to a driver function that make everything crash. (smoke or fire transparency comes to my mind)

And excellent point, Coli. Smiley

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Reply #6 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 12:57pm

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Does this problem occur no matter which aircraft you are flying and no matter which aircraft you are shooting at?

I do most of my CFS2 flying in Quick Combat using the KW F-86E against the 2 Mig AI types. I started using the RAAF CA27 because the 2 cannon are much more destructive than the 6 machine guns and I have Nibbio's enhanced destructive effects installed. There has been no problem for a long time but suddenly the sim started crashing, not just when I got a single hit but whenever I would get a massive hit where the aircraft would break up. So I switched back to the KW F-86E and the same thing happened. Then I tried a couple of KW missions and it seemed to be OK until I tried the CA27 in the missions and then the same thing happened again. I seem to have partially solved the problem now. I deleted all the CDP files, started and stopped a QC against both Mig AIs to generate new CDP files and now it seems to work OK as long as I use the KW F-86E.

I hadn't made any changes to Graphic or Sound drivers or anything like that. But I had installed a 3rd party Mig 15 and QC didn't seem to like it. I have noticed that the sim is very sensitive to DP files, if there's the slightest problem with them it will crash. But why this should cause a sim crash when the CA27 destroys a KW AI Mig is a mystery to me. If anyone has any ideas I would appreciate hearing them, I'll try anything to resolve this.

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Reply #7 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 1:02pm

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What you say suggests that there is something going on between the CA-27 and Nibbio's effects. Try removing the Nibbio effects, and see what happens with the CA-27. Wink

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This may tie-in with what Coligny had to suggest in his post. Huh

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Reply #8 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 3:57pm

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I've seen this from a lot of Aircraft that had their DP's run through the Gun Aiming Utility. Take the offending aircraft and give it a Stock DP just for a test run. See if you CTD then.

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Reply #9 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 11:46pm

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Another outstanding suggestion! Cheesy

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We'll solve this one yet! Wink

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Reply #10 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:27am

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No good! I tried stock DPs and it seemed to help momentarily but it didn't last. I tried a reinstall and its okay most of the time with the KW F-86E but sometimes it crashes. It crashes instantly when there is a destructive hit from the CA-27.

Thanks for all your help everybody but this has got me flummoxed.

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Reply #11 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 4:57pm

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you've probly done most of this

I wounder. Does the CA-27 need any effects added.

another question what are you using for your graphics card?

have you tryed removing the plane completely and running the game without it at all?

Where did you get the plane from. was it here or another site. I'll give it a try and see if it happens to me.

oh one last thing. have you open the file in note pad or in the DP editor?

just trying to see where the source of the corruption could have come from. then maybe try to find a clean copy.

that all i have.

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Reply #12 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 11:45pm

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Avon Sabre, CA-27:

http://simviation.com/1/search?submit=1&keywords=Avon+Sabre&x=23&y=17

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Reply #13 - Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 11:53pm

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ok here is what i have done.

i have flown 9 missions total in the CA-27. plus 3 rounds in quick combat. did this in three different sessions. i'm having no issues with the plane. so here are my thoughts.

1.) your plane has been corrupted some how.
2.) your graphic setting is too high or your using the memory in some other application thats running that you could be unaware of.
3.)your drivers need updating.
4.)your addons could be causing a conflict. (tring to run to many effect types)

lets focus on the plane first. delete or move the old one. download a new copy and install it. fly the plane and see if it happens again. if it does than it might not be the plane its self.

so move on to the effects. take them out or replace them with the stock. what ever is needed. then repeat the flying proceedure.

drop your graphic level. if your at 1024x768 then go down a level. remove some of the detail. fly again (well fight again) i would put yourself to indestructable while testing and on easy. that way you can fly without worry

if after all this and it is still happening than its your drivers.

finally if none of this fixes it then i dont know what else to do.

is this a second copy or are you putting everything in too one. What i mean is, do you have more than one install of CFS2 on your hard drive? if not than you may want to consider doing that for each theater of operation (example: Korea, Pacific, Europe, North africa, WWI,) i highly recommend doing so if you havent yet.

I hope this help. best of luck to you.

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Reply #14 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 1:38am

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I flew Quick Combat for months with the CA-27 against the Fox 4 KW AI Migs (S+T) with no problems. Just the other day the sim started crashing whenever I would get a completely destructive hit on one of the Migs. I switched to the F-86E. It worked okay for awhile then the same thing started to happen with it also. There's nothing wrong with the CA-27. I did a fresh install of it and it makes no difference. I think the problem is with the AI Migs. I did a fresh install of the KW campaign and it works okay with the F-86E but if i switch to the CA-27 it crashes as soon as I get a destructive hit. I also did a reinstall of CFS2.

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Reply #15 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 3:39am

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You did not answer my questions. Undecided

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- Does this problem occur no matter what plane you are flying and no matter what opponent is involved? You know like a Hellcat against a Zero, or a MiG against a B-29? Huh

Huh

- Also, did you try removing Nibbio's effects? Huh

Huh

Here's one more as well:

- Did you follow the Fox Four instructions about entering the CFS2.CFG file and setting Stress Damage=False? Huh

Huh

Give us some info so we can help. And BTW this problem has nothing to do with the AI MiGs...believe me. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 2:45pm

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Yes, TR, I did set Stress Damage=False in the CFS2.cfg file. At the moment the problem is not happening except with the CA-27, after a reinstall. I thought it was Nibbio's effects I had installed but now I'm not sure. I'm trying to find the effects so I can properly remove them. Not sure if I've found them yet. Everything had been working fine for a long time, so I now don't think it is a problem with CFS2 itself, I think it may be a computer issue. Undecided

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I'm working on it. Thanks for all the help.

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Reply #17 - Apr 23^rd, 2011 at 6:38pm

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OK, just trying to make sure the bases get covered. Troubleshooting via board posts is not the best way to go about it. Cry

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Keep us posted on your progress.

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Reply #18 - Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 7:43pm

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UPDATE

After 3 ½ months, a reinstallation, a separate install, and many theories tested without success I have come to the end of my rope. After enjoying CFS2 for 11 years it’s now impossible to fly Quick Combat or missions at all so CFS2 is basically unusable for me. I know what is NOT causing the problem but not what is. It appears to be associated with the ACONTAIN.DLL file. If I reinstall the acontain.dll file from Disc1 the problem disappears for 1 or 2 shoot downs, then reoccurs with the following info:
Error Signature
App. Name CFS2.exe
App. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Mod. Name acontain.dll
Mod. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Offset 000044d2

It refers to an error report file but that file doesn’t exist.

I have 71 aircraft in my aircraft folder so it’s not the 100 aircraft bug. I found some info online that acontain.dll has caused some problems with FS9 (unable to run) but nothing is mentioned about CFS2. I’ve tried absolutely everything without success. If anyone has any ideas at all, I’ll try anything, but I’ve run out of ideas myself and it looks as though, with much regret, I will have to close down CFS2 for ever. Cry

Cry

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Reply #19 - Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 8:33pm

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investdude wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 7:43pm:

UPDATE

After 3 ½ months, a reinstallation, a separate install, and many theories tested without success I have come to the end of my rope. After enjoying CFS2 for 11 years it’s now impossible to fly Quick Combat or missions at all so CFS2 is basically unusable for me. I know what is NOT causing the problem but not what is. It appears to be associated with the ACONTAIN.DLL file. If I reinstall the acontain.dll file from Disc1 the problem disappears for 1 or 2 shoot downs, then reoccurs with the following info:
Error Signature
App. Name CFS2.exe
App. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Mod. Name acontain.dll
Mod. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Offset 000044d2

It refers to an error report file but that file doesn’t exist.

I have 71 aircraft in my aircraft folder so it’s not the 100 aircraft bug. I found some info online that acontain.dll has caused some problems with FS9 (unable to run) but nothing is mentioned about CFS2. I’ve tried absolutely everything without success. If anyone has any ideas at all, I’ll try anything, but I’ve run out of ideas myself and it looks as though, with much regret, I will have to close down CFS2 for ever. Cry

Cry

Have you seen this thread?

http://flyawaysimulation.com/forum/topic/10455/mayday-mayday-mayday/

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Reply #20 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:50am

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Have you seen this thread?

Yes, but it pertains to FS9 and the link to another copy of acontain.dll doesn't work, so no help.

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Reply #21 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 9:44am

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This may not help but this type of problem isn't restricted to CFS2 (although I don't play CFS2 so often and it hasn't occured while doing so) -- I've encountered it a number of times with CFS1 missions (rarely engage Quick Combat). Sometimes I could play through the mission after a mission restart, more often needing a CFS restart, sometimes needing to reboot the computer to play through. I'm not sure it is of note but it seems to have begun only after connecting the computer to the internet (in the past I've had at least two used computers that I'd revamped -- new or reformatted hard drives -- and the game computer was never online and I don't recall any such problem). However, during this time I'd also added other programs to the system, so it may not be on-line internet related (unless you disable your network connection you may still be connected to the internet) but quite possibly some programs will take advantage of in stealth mode.
Basically, as has already been suggested, there may be a resource issue; in a resource problem, it may be a corrupted file not within CFS/2.

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Reply #22 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 9:45am

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Yo investdude:

I'm getting in here a little late but a few things have come to mind after reading the previous posts in this thread so I've got some suggestions. Please forgive me if I'm being "overly simple" here as I just want to cover ALL THE POSSIBILITIES that I think have not yet been addressed.

investdude wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 7:43pm:

UPDATE

After 3 ½ months, a re-installation, a separate install, and many theories tested without success I have come to the end of my rope. After enjoying CFS2 for 11 years it’s now impossible to fly Quick Combat or missions at all so CFS2 is basically unusable for me. I know what is NOT causing the problem but not what is. It appears to be associated with the ACONTAIN.DLL file. If I reinstall the acontain.dll file from Disc1 the problem disappears for 1 or 2 shoot downs, then reoccurs with the following info:
Error Signature
App. Name CFS2.exe
App. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Mod. Name acontain.dll
Mod. Ver. 7.50.0.917
Offset 000044d2

It refers to an error report file but that file doesn’t exist.

(1)
In the main CFS2 folder, look for the file: error.LOG
- open it with "Notepad"

What does your "error.LOG" file say? PLEASE post a copy of all info contained in it to this thread.

investdude wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 7:43pm:

I have 71 aircraft in my aircraft folder so it’s not the 100 aircraft bug.

(2)
Fair enough BUT ... open each aircraft folder & count the TOTAL number of "texture" folders for each aircraft.

Any aircraft having more than one "texture" (or "skin") will count as an additional aircraft. You might have 71 a/c folders, but if each one has 2 skins - then you actually have 142 a/c installed and therefore have exceeded the "100 plane limit".

I'll bet you 10 "virtual beers" you'll find you actually have more than 71 a/c installed.

investdude wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2011 at 7:43pm:

I found some info online that acontain.dll has caused some problems with FS9 (unable to run) but nothing is mentioned about CFS2. I’ve tried absolutely everything without success. If anyone has any ideas at all, I’ll try anything, but I’ve run out of ideas myself and it looks as though, with much regret, I will have to close down CFS2 for ever. Cry

Cry

I suspect the "acontain.dll" issue is the result of this problem rather than the cause. If replacing it cures the problem temporarily - then something else is affecting it.

If the previous 2 suggestions do not help; then try this:

(3)
In the main CFS2 folder, locate and delete the six "INDEX" files. All will be regenerated the next time you open CFS2.

AIRWAY_INDEX
ICAO_INDEX
INDEX_FILE
LAT_INDEX
STR_INDEX
WAYPOINT_INDEX

Open CFS2 & recheck for the problem. Does it still exist?

- if it's fixed; then yer buying the beers tonight !!
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Reply #23 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm

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Thanks for your input Dirtman!

I did as you suggested and here are the results:

(2) I checked all my aircraft folders. A few, 5 or 6, have more than one texture folder, however, alternate texture folders have to be activated in the aircraft.cfg file and I have only one texture activated per aircraft. If I want to change a texture I make the change in the aircraft.cfg file.

(3) I deleted the 6 index files. When I opened CFS2 it started to regenerate the files but then crashed. When I opened it again the files were there okay. I ran QC and as soon as I destroyed a Mig the sim crashed.

(1) Here is the error log file:

[Mission file error]
error=Unable to init unit 1000
title=Quick Combat
filename=C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Combat Flight Simulator 2\qc

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Has this happened to you in mission play?

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Reply #25 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 1:59pm

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To H:

Yes, it's same problem in missions.

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Reply #26 - Aug 4^th, 2011 at 2:06pm

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Just a thought... if you get a unit load error report, open the mission (.mis) file and see if it's listed and what the unit is.

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Reply #27 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 8:35am

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investdude wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

Thanks for your input Dirtman!

I did as you suggested and here are the results:

(2) I checked all my aircraft folders. A few, 5 or 6, have more than one texture folder, however, alternate texture folders have to be activated in the aircraft.cfg file and I have only one texture activated per aircraft. If I want to change a texture I make the change in the aircraft.cfg file.

Good work!

investdude wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

(3) I deleted the 6 index files. When I opened CFS2 it started to regenerate the files but then crashed. When I opened it again the files were there okay. I ran QC and as soon as I destroyed a Mig the sim crashed.

CFS2 should not have crashed during the INDEX file regeneration point - this could be a clue to the cause of the problem

investdude wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

(1) Here is the error log file:

[Mission file error]
error=Unable to init unit 1000
title=Quick Combat
filename=C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Combat Flight Simulator 2\qc

In QC, "unit 1000" is the player aircraft. CFS2 seems to be trying to regenerate the PLAYER a/c. This is odd UNLESS you are flying the same a/c (a MiG) as you are shooting down. I would be inclined to believe that this situation is what is causing CFS2 to crash

If this problem was only occurring in QC, I would suspect the QC mission file is damaged. But you have said it happens in regular missions too ... so the common element here is either the MiG or the player aircraft.

First: Fly a regular mission using these a/c, let CFS2 crash and then recheck the "error.LOG" and post the info here. - let's see if the info (cause) is the same as in QC

I would substitute different player & target a/c & retest for the problem in both mission & QC.

Past this I would try:

- in the OBJECTS_DP folder: delete ALL CDP's again.

- in the SCENEDB folder: open ALL "scenery" sub-folders and delete ALL "filelist.dat"'s

- delete the 6 INDEX file once again.

Reopen QC & retest

investdude wrote on Aug 4^th, 2011 at 12:52pm:

I wish I could be buying the beer! Tongue

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Be patient ... you WILL!!!

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Reply #28 - Aug 5^th, 2011 at 4:42pm

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Durt,

I started to follow your suggestions, flew a KW mission till I got a kill and the Sim crashed. Then I noticed that the error.log file was dated middle of July and had not changed. So I deleted the error.log file, assuming a new one would be generated at the next crash. I flew a QC mission and killed 2 migs without a crash but on the next kill the Sim crashed. But there was no error.log file regenerated. The events.log file was current and correct. So I don't understand what's going on. I'm at work now, will be too busy to do anything for a day or so but I will keep working on it, try all your suggestions and report back ASAP. Thanks for all your help.

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Reply #29 - Aug 6^th, 2011 at 4:42pm

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Had a little bit of time today so here's what I've done:

I don't think the error.log file previously posted means very much since it was dated the middle of July. The question for me is why doesn't the sim generate another error.log file when it crashes? I looked at the CFS2.cfg file under Preferences and it gives:
ERROR_FILE=
It should read ERROR_FILE=ERROR.LOG
so I changed it to read ERROR_FILE=ERROR.LOG and flew a QC, sim crashed but no error.log file. I have a backup copy of CFS2.cfg, so I checked it and it also showed under Preferences, ERROR_FILE=

I deleted all the CDPs in the OBJECTS_DP folder, all the filelist.dat files in SCENEDB folder and the 6 INDEX files. This time when CFS2 was run it did NOT crash when it regenerated the 6 INDEX files. But otherwise there was no change. I ran another QC and the sim crashed as usual.

BTW, I have a force feedback joystick and when When the crash occurs the force feedback runs continuously so at one time I thought it might be a forcefeedback problem but I got a non-forcefeedback stick and tried it and there was no difference except of course that the FF didn't run.

So it seems to me now that in order to be able to move forward I have to get the Sim to generate an error.log file so we can see what's happening but I don't know how to do that. Could it be that as far as the Sim is concerned the acontain.dll is doing what it's supposed to do and therefore there is no error? I just don't know what's going on.

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Reply #30 - Dec 30^th, 2011 at 9:44pm

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Problem resolved! (Sort of)

That is, I am again able to play Quick Combat, the KW F-86 against the Mig-15, without a CTD every time I score a guns kill on a Mig. The downside is I still haven't tracked down the source of the problem. Let me explain.

I have an external Drive (G:) for backup and storage. I had a backup of CFS2 from sometime ago before my problems started so I restored CFS2 to the G Drive and ran it from there. Presto, I was even able to use the CA-27 Australian F-86 version without CTD on guns kill.

So I'm now in the process of comparing the 2 installs to try to track down what is causing the CTD on the C Drive install. The first thing I noticed was the F-86 model on the G Drive installation was not the latest but an earlier version, so I tried it on the C Drive install but it made no difference. I'm still working on it and it may take a long time but at least I can now shoot down a few Migs when I get the urge.

Thanks to all those who tried to help, especially Hagar and Dirt Man!

Investdude

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An update on the final resolution of this problem which has dogged me for months. After careful consideration, I decided to copy my external drive copy of CFS2 to my D drive, since CFS2 does not need a registry entry. Copy was successful and after extensive testing it worked perfectly every time. I then deleted the malfunctioning copy on my C drive and copied CFS2 to C drive from external. Again it functioned perfectly, so I now have 2 copies of CFS2, one dedicated to the Fox 4 Korean War series (thanks to TR, Grumpy and all the gang) so I'm a happy camper. I guess the principal lesson is that with CFS2 it's possible to solve a problem without even finding out what it is or where it came from. Thanks to all who tried to help me. Now going out to kill some Migs.

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