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Mar 11th, 2011 at 10:51pm

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Hey guys, i just completed my first pc build and did it just for flight sim but not happy with the performance i am getting, im not sure if its the pc or if its me, but with my set-up im getting on max sliders 2-7fps. i no somethings not right i put all the latest drivers on, just not sure what i am missing.

specs are as follows:

Motherboard :  Gigabyte ga-x58a-ud3r
CPU :  I7 950 3.06ghz (had it overclocked to 4.00ghz)
Cooling :  Corsair h70 liquid cooling
RAM : Corsair dominator 12gb(3x4gb) DDR3
Graphics card : Gigabyte GTX 560 ti OC (soon to be 2)
Operating System : Windows 7 64
Power supply : Thermaltake evo 750w
Hdd/ssd : 1st, seagate monmentus xt ssd hybrid. 2nd :  Western digital caviar black 1tb sataIII 64mb

So if any1 can help it would be greatly apprieciated.
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 13th, 2011 at 9:34am

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Tune Win7 and streamlined FSX tuning, starts with NickN's post on 4/11/10 @ 3:31 PM
http://www.simforums.com/forums/topic34141_post198187.html#198187

Setting up your Nvidia GPU with Nvidia Inspector by NickN
http://www.simforums.com/forums/nhancer-settings-for-new-drivers-updated-v1932_t...

In depth FSX tuning thread by NickN
http://www.simforums.com/forums/setting-up-fsx-and-how-to-tune-it_topic29041.htm...

Try the above for starters and with all your sliders maxed out that maybe why your FPS is so low.  Commercial airline, GA airline, airport vehicles, car, boat and ferry traffic add a lot of work to the CPU and if you have all those maxed out along with having all your scenery sliders maxed out you are probably driving your CPU so much.

I have a 980X @ 4.44GHz and I do not even have all my sliders maxed out!
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 8:38pm

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Holy Moly! That's one helluva rig! How are you not able to max out the sliders? Dude, my rig is 3 levels below that, and I have had the settings maxed for over 2 years, now. Even edited the .cfg for higher LOD radius.
I can't really think of a place on this rig that is lacking...
Maybe power supply? I got an 850W, and using all of it, but for pete's sake you are at 750, that should be plenty...
If you do use 2 cards, make sure to use more than that, but with one, you will have NO problems.
How's your mem latencies?
I never had to do any funky windows tuning or anything like that, but plenty of people are. There is plenty of good info in NickN's thread.
You have great equipment there, and plenty of power, it should be crankin'!
Not to presume that you don't, but frequently defrag? How bout a clean install? Got a lot of trialware? Norton antivirus? Did you build this rig yourself?
Hope anything I got can help...

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I see you did build this yourself.... Gosh. Some people... Embarrassed
 

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Reply #3 - Mar 16th, 2011 at 7:32pm

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Matt200 wrote on Mar 11th, 2011 at 10:51pm:
Hey guys, i just completed my first pc build and did it just for flight sim but not happy with the performance i am getting, im not sure if its the pc or if its me, but with my set-up im getting on max sliders 2-7fps. i no somethings not right i put all the latest drivers on, just not sure what i am missing.

specs are as follows:

Motherboard :  Gigabyte ga-x58a-ud3r
CPU :  I7 950 3.06ghz (had it overclocked to 4.00ghz)
Cooling :  Corsair h70 liquid cooling
RAM : Corsair dominator 12gb(3x4gb) DDR3
Graphics card : Gigabyte GTX 560 ti OC (soon to be 2)
Operating System : Windows 7 64
Power supply : Thermaltake evo 750w
Hdd/ssd : 1st, seagate monmentus xt ssd hybrid. 2nd :  Western digital caviar black 1tb sataIII 64mb

So if any1 can help it would be greatly apprieciated.


So after looking over some stuff, and doing my own tweaking and modifying, I've found that there are quite a few more tricks that may or may not be written somewhere.
For example, unplug the fans from the MB (chassis fans, all but CPU fan and maybe 1 other) and run them on their own dedicated plug from the PSU. That way, the ATX power and MB power supply get as much as possible. This may help your power use and efficiency @ the CPU.
Also, how about your RAM latencies? Maybe a little more volts and you can turn the timings down a level, unless your already at peak.
How much from your 750W does that VC pull @ max? I know that yours is a very powerful card, and the minimum W it needs is still significant.
Have you tried using 3DMark? This may also help you figure out where the deficiencies may be, and it's probably something as simple as a voltage tweak.
You've got better equipment than I do, and you should be enjoying FSX to its smoothest, frame pumpin capacity already.

I hope this helps, or at least helps with a place to start...
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:07pm

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Thanks mate, i think you might be right with the power supply its not a 80+ certified so dont really no how it would be performing maxed out, my VC minimum is 500w last night i was messing around o/c the card and the best i got was about 950mhz core clock(standed 900) at 1.15v(max with msi afterburner) and the thing is it doesnt start getting artifacts or anything its just stops working and shows the error "display driver stopped working" so i have been looking at a 1000w 80+ i think i might try that and c how we go.

Also my benchmark scores with 3dmark11 with stock cpu(3.06ghz) and stock VC(900mhz) i got P4452. Then i ran it at 4.21ghz(standed voltage) and VC 945mhz(@1.050v) and got a score of P4712.

My mem latencys are 9-9-9-24 standed as this is my first pc build  i havnt quite got as far as o/c the mem yet looking in to it tho i will give it a try soon.

With my fans i have them all running off a NZXT fan controller that is powered from a molex straight off the power supply.

Its only a brand new pc only had it on for about 2 weeks i havnt got antivirus yet and dont have it on the internet yet,havnt defraged it yet, it was a clean install, with trialware do you mean trial programs if so if so i only have cpu-z, passmark, furmark, msi afterburner.
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 4:23am

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Matt200 wrote on Mar 18th, 2011 at 5:07pm:
Thanks mate, i think you might be right with the power supply its not a 80+ certified so dont really no how it would be performing maxed out, my VC minimum is 500w last night i was messing around o/c the card and the best i got was about 950mhz core clock(standed 900) at 1.15v(max with msi afterburner) and the thing is it doesnt start getting artifacts or anything its just stops working and shows the error "display driver stopped working" so i have been looking at a 1000w 80+ i think i might try that and c how we go.

Also my benchmark scores with 3dmark11 with stock cpu(3.06ghz) and stock VC(900mhz) i got P4452. Then i ran it at 4.21ghz(standed voltage) and VC 945mhz(@1.050v) and got a score of P4712.

My mem latencys are 9-9-9-24 standed as this is my first pc build  i havnt quite got as far as o/c the mem yet looking in to it tho i will give it a try soon.

With my fans i have them all running off a NZXT fan controller that is powered from a molex straight off the power supply.

Its only a brand new pc only had it on for about 2 weeks i havnt got antivirus yet and dont have it on the internet yet,havnt defraged it yet, it was a clean install, with trialware do you mean trial programs if so if so i only have cpu-z, passmark, furmark, msi afterburner.


80+ certification isn't really all that important, but it has a few testing methods involved in getting the cert that show a constant loaded capacity of 80%+ of the max. It's really just a selling point for the consumer to "feel good" about.
That said, I know in the olden days (8800GTS cards and earlier) NVidia cards were usually slightly more power hungry than the ATI stuff. I don't know about anymore, and my li'l ATI 4870 sucks more juice than a newer 5970 at max! Neighbors tell me that their lights go dim when I turn the PC on...
If you do the math, the min is... 500W? Holy crap! Jeeze! So, O/Cing that one will sharply raise your power consumption. 500W video card, 130W+- for the CPU, the rest for DVD/BluRay players, HDD, RAM, fans, yeah you're probably getting into the max it can do. Good move with the upgrade if you do it.

The RAM latency timing can be a real mess. Improper timings can corrupt program and OS installs, BSOD, or just never start BIOS, resulting in the obligatory CMOS reset. ugh. Read as much as you can about how these work before you just change settings here. I have had my setup for 1 1/2 years now (in it's current form) and still find myself tweaking things on it. Take your time.
That said, you can usually get away with changing almost all CL9 RAM like yours (CL9=the 9-9-9-24 settings you have) to an 8-8-8-20 (CL8) with no problems. Maybe a slight increase in voltage (like from 1.6v standard to 1.77v).

Good luck, and keep working at it! Shove the throttle all the way forward! These new i7's overclock so well.
I still think that intel knew their chips would handle 4+ GHz and sold them at 2.7-3.0 for the bragging rights. Good move though. These CPUs really are smokin fast.

Does 3D Mark 11 give you a CPU score, a GPU score, and then a total like Vantage used to? Or does it give you a 1 number total? Just wondering...
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 4:51am
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For all LGA-1366 based systems (all 9xx series Core i7) make sure the RAM doesn't go above a voltage that is 0.5v higher than the uncore voltage of the CPU. Uncore voltage is usually called "QPI/DRAM Voltage", "VTT" or "QPI/VTT", in BIOS or similar. Usually this means that you shouldn't go above 1.65v on the RAM or you risk killing the CPU.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 5:48pm

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For all LGA-1366 based systems (all 9xx series Core i7) make sure the RAM doesn't go above a voltage that is 0.5v higher than the uncore voltage of the CPU. Uncore voltage is usually called "QPI/DRAM Voltage", "VTT" or "QPI/VTT", in BIOS or similar. Usually this means that you shouldn't go above 1.65v on the RAM or you risk killing the CPU.


EEK! Ok, so there's the difference between generic help and help from an Intel guy. I got AMD stuff, and had no idea about that setting. It may not even be available in your bios, but now at least you know.

That seems fairly fragile, to me, though. 1.6 max? A little sensitive, maybe? Anyway, some RAM start at CL9 @ 1.4V+-, you should be able to throw .1-.2 V at it no matter where its default value is, without any serious problems. If that were always the case, there woulld be no way to get 6-7-6-18 like a couple of these intel hot rod machines are getting.

Electrically, the RAM needs to charge for a few cycles before it does work. If you change the ammount of clock cycles down, you need more voltage to compensate. It is a minute level of change, though now that you know, do not exceed 1.65.
Good work!
 

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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2011 at 6:23am
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You would be surprised at how fast RAM can be at 1.65v.

http://www.ocia.net/reviews/oczblade1600/page1.shtml

DDR3-1600 6-6-6-24

G.Skill has DDR3-1600 6-8-6-24 at 1.5v


If you increase the uncore voltage then RAM > 1.65v is safe, just make sure the difference between uncore and dram is equal to or less than 0.5v.
 
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