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Water Sports II (Read 369 times)
Feb 27
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, 2011 at 8:48am
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Yup, did the ditch too. But I was too busy to take more screens.
Part I
Thanks for looking.
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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Feb 27
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Very very nice shots L.T.
FSX, we've come a long way baby! Skunk Works is an official alias for Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs (ADP), formerly called Lockheed Advanced Development Projects. Skunk Works is responsible for a number of famous aircraft designs, including the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk, and the F-22 Raptor. Its largest current project is the F-35 Lightning II
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Feb 27
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Wonderful shots Larry...well done...
One question if you have the time....
Are you planning on applying for a bugsmasher float flying bush pilot's job this summer in Alaska?
I don't think Greg or Chuck would mind if you used them as character references, I am afraid if you used me you would end up being tied to a tree...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Feb 27
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Wow.....great shots Larry
That ditch looks like a reral nail-biter
"Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth and danced the skies on laughter silvered wings. Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth of sun split clouds.....and done a hundred things you have never dreamed of.....wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence. Hovering there, I've chased the shouting wind along and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delerious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace where never Lark, nor even Eagle flew. While with silent lifting of mind I've trod the high untrespassed sanctity of space, put out my hand and touched the face of god"
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Feb 27
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Skunkworks wrote
on Feb 27
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, 2011 at 10:14am:
Very very nice shots L.T.
Thanks Greg.
Most fun I've had in a while.
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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Feb 27
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Flying Trucker wrote
on Feb 27
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, 2011 at 10:37am:
Wonderful shots Larry...well done...
One question if you have the time....
Are you planning on applying for a bugsmasher float flying bush pilot's job this summer in Alaska?
I don't think Greg or Chuck would mind if you used them as character references, I am afraid if you used me you would end up being tied to a tree...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
Thanks Doug.
Only if it's simulated.
Character references? Does that mean they would tell what a character I am?
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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Feb 27
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CHUCK79 wrote
on Feb 27
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, 2011 at 11:22am:
Wow.....great shots Larry
That ditch looks like a reral nail-biter
Thanks Chuck.
It wasn't that bad at all. I just don't have enough hands to take screen shots, as my water rudder is on the throttle button I have mapped to elevator trim. Forward is up, backward is down, and down is water rudder.
I have to wait for just the right moment to put the water rudder down and hit the other rudder to slow down without tipping over. I'm not sure it is a technique that would work in the real world. Doug could probably tell us.
Remember how you used to hit the brakes and turn on your bike to slide to a stop? Same principle.
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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Feb 27
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Hi Larry...
Take a look at this Link...
http://www.fortlangleyair.com/docs/Basic%20Floatplane%20Skills.pdf
There is some good information there.
One of the reasons the DeHavilland of Canada DHC-3 Otter is so successful is this:
Part of the reason this performance was available was the way the flaps were integrated into the wings. The Fowler designed flaps dropped the whole trailing edge of the wing, at about a 4:1 ratio, that is nearly 100 square feet of flap compared to nearly 400 square foot of wing!
The other booster of STOL performance was the tie-in between the horizontal stabilizer and the flaps. The stabilizer pitched up or down depending on how the flaps were selected. Therefore, the tail was up quickly, giving the aircraft a phenomenal rate of climb over a fairly short T/O run. This was not a high pitch, nose high take-off------it was a flat take-off... the whole aircraft just leaped into the air! If the nose would have been high, that meant a high angle of attack on the wing, with less lift, exactly where/when you needed it. The flat take-off gave you great forward visibility, and the aircraft was amazingly light on the controls, even under max conditions.
The DeHavilland of Canada Company developed a whole lot of new techniques and built them into the Otter. The Beaver and Otter are very different aircraft altogether.
Now the Piper Cub which has no flaps and the one I think you are flying and was shown in the video made a text book landing on that pond.
Without flaps sideslipping the aircraft is a technique used to loose altitude.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/training/flight_training/fxd_wing/slip.htm
You still want to keep the speed down and land as close to the shore that is nearest you...that is where you pick the point...not half way down the pond.
He came in flatter than I would have but it is whatever technique works best and you are the most comfortable with. It is not all text book...
Myself I probably would have set my approach and picked where I wanted the floats to touch down at a little higher altitude and closer in to the end of the pond closest to me.
Sideslipped the aircraft down always watching that point I chose and just above the water...level off...reducing power and wait for the floats to touch down.
Doing it this way you are almost stalling the aircraft onto the water reducing water run or landing distance.
Just drop water rudders and add power for what is required.
Every aviator learns the basics and what the aircraft they are flying can do from an instructor.
Once the basics are learned then with experience you can perfect the basic technique to your level of flying comfortability which is one of the most important things when aviating.
It is much easier to demonstrate than tell you on a computer...
...but believe me Larry it is not rocket science...
Not sure I was much help to you and Chuck but the next time I am at the old homestead will pull some material out of our library/study and post it to you...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
P.S. Flying is all about learning...one never stops learning and that stands true for simulated flying and the day each and every one of us fails to learn one new thing we will be being carried by six...
...today I learned it was my turn to peel the potatoes...dang...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
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Feb 27
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Thanks Doug.
There is some great information there. I'm too tired to read it all right now, so I saved them both. I did read some of the first link before my eyes started crossing. I especially appreciated this line:
"A rough water take-off can turn into a series of bounces from wave to wave. They are typically not very pretty."
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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Feb 27
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patchz wrote
on Feb 27
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, 2011 at 11:32am:
Flying Trucker wrote
on Feb 27
th
, 2011 at 10:37am:
Wonderful shots Larry...well done...
One question if you have the time....
Are you planning on applying for a bugsmasher float flying bush pilot's job this summer in Alaska?
I don't think Greg or Chuck would mind if you used them as character references, I am afraid if you used me you would end up being tied to a tree...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
Thanks Doug.
Only if it's simulated.
Character references? Does that mean they would tell what a character I am?
On patchz resume'...
'simulated character 2.0'
'References: More than slightly used up semi-retired contractor nicked named le pew 1.0c'
FSX, we've come a long way baby! Skunk Works is an official alias for Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs (ADP), formerly called Lockheed Advanced Development Projects. Skunk Works is responsible for a number of famous aircraft designs, including the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk, and the F-22 Raptor. Its largest current project is the F-35 Lightning II
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Feb 27
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Thanks for the links and the info Doug. Saved them too as reference
FSX, we've come a long way baby! Skunk Works is an official alias for Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs (ADP), formerly called Lockheed Advanced Development Projects. Skunk Works is responsible for a number of famous aircraft designs, including the U-2, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 Nighthawk, and the F-22 Raptor. Its largest current project is the F-35 Lightning II
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Feb 28
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Skunkworks wrote
on Feb 27
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, 2011 at 5:22pm:
patchz wrote
on Feb 27
th
, 2011 at 11:32am:
Flying Trucker wrote
on Feb 27
th
, 2011 at 10:37am:
Wonderful shots Larry...well done...
One question if you have the time....
Are you planning on applying for a bugsmasher float flying bush pilot's job this summer in Alaska?
I don't think Greg or Chuck would mind if you used them as character references, I am afraid if you used me you would end up being tied to a tree...
Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
Thanks Doug.
Only if it's simulated.
Character references? Does that mean they would tell what a character I am?
On patchz resume'...
'simulated character 2.0'
'References: More than slightly used up semi-retired contractor nicked named le pew 1.0c'
But you left out the 6 in front of the 2.
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
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