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Help me choose between these 4 planes (FSX)... (Read 2035 times)
Jan 2nd, 2011 at 5:52pm

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Aerosoft Twin Otter:    Do the turboprops behave realistically?  (for instance the relationship between RPM and torque on the Aerosoft Cheyenne is not correct, as far as I can ascertain, so I'm looking for something better).  Aside from the PMDG J41, which I have, and love, if anybody can suggest a realistically done turboprop, be my guest...My hangar is in need of one.

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UIVER DC-2:  I'm used to the A2A Stratocruiser.  Will this one dissapoint once I've been spoiled by AccuSim?

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Aerosoft PBY:  good, bad, whats the story on this...

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Britten Norman Islander:  Do I really need another piston twin?  This sure looks tempting, but so do all the rest Smiley
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Reply #1 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 2:22am

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Well, the Twotter is a terrific buy, I have it and love it, great sounds, terrific model, beautiful VC...as far as how it handles as a turbine, it is not as realistic as the J41, you aren't going to blow your engines up by moving the throttle up too fast.  Still, it's a terrific piece of payware and a lot of fun to fly out in the bush.

The PBY is another great bird, beautiful VC and sounds great too.  Lots of paints and models included with this one.  If you are looking to bush fly though I think I would get the twotter first, then down the road get the PBY.  The Twotter takes off on shorter runways and weighs considerably less, plus it will get you up into the higher altitudes.

As for the DC2, I have not played with this one so I couldn't give you an honest answer.  I guess you should just decide on what kind of flying you want to do before you purchase.

It's going to be hard to find a model as realistic as the J41 when it comes to turbines.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 4:16am

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I would go fo the Otter.

A wonderfull piece of art.

You can use the mouse wheel to set both trim & radio's in the Otter.

As for realistic. I never flew a MET but have flown in one. The Otter is loud and powerfull, just like in the real world.

No damage model, like Truck said, she won't break down if you activate the reverst thrust at 10 000 feet doing max speed.

I use FspX, that way all airplanes I fly is prone to problems.

As for the DC-2, Don't have this one but I do own the Catalina, not a big fan of the Cat, good looking but not something I like to fly.

i would prolly go for the DC-2 as a 2nd option. Reason been we allready have a DC-3 despite been very basic.

Goodluck with your choice & don't forget to let us know what you chose  Wink
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 5:29am

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I've modified my original post to include the Islander.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 6:08am

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The PBY is the only one I have, but it is very nice, especially the VC and sounds. And I have not had an engine fire since I mapped mixture and prop pitch to rotary switches on my throttle. Roll Eyes

And like Truck said, there are a lot of repaints for it, including several really nice ones by our very own Jankees. 
 

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Reply #5 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 10:02am

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I own all of them except the UIVER DC-2.
All three are good aircraft  Grin
The Twin Otter is a classic. The VC is nice (although a little blurry depending on zoom levels), the engine sounds are great. It is getting older compared to what developers have done with newer add-ons.
The PBY Catalina has a beautiful VC, beautiful exterior model and liveries, a WWII classic, and is probably the one that has the most extensive systems models (out of the three) I would say. A cold dark start is a pretty cool thing to do and when those big radials start spitting black smoke it definitely puts a smile on my face!
The BN2 Islander is my favorite out of all three. The liveries are very nice, the aircraft is a slow small transport aircraft and flies like it. The VC looks great and actually shakes on takeoffs and landings! The sound package is the one I like the most (although all three have HIGH QUALITY sounds, so the Islander doesn't win by much). It probably is the best out of all 3 for bush flying.
I stick to it and say BN2 Islander!  Wink
Best thing would be to go to youtube and look at videos of all of them.
Good luck with your TOUGH decision and let us know what you got.
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 10:37am

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Keep adding to your list - you may come to one I like  Cheesy.
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 8:27pm

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olderndirt wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 10:37am:
Keep adding to your list - you may come to one I like  Cheesy.


Do you not like those choices?  Smiley 

I'm open to other suggestions for the next can't-live-without/as-real-as-it gets addition to my hangar Smiley

 
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Reply #8 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 11:12pm

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Though I have MEL on my ticket, all I ever flew was the PA23 Apache, the PA23 Aztec and the C402.  I have right seat time in lots of others ranging from BE55 to C82 but, at heart, I'm a single engine pilot - low and slow.  So far on your list, I like the Twin Otter - an extemely versatile plane.  DeHavilland Canada has built some good ones.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 11:49pm

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[quote author=ykbpTI6 link=1294008749/8#8 date=1294114361]Though I have MEL on my ticket, all I ever flew was the PA23 Apache, the PA23 Aztec and the C402.  [quote]

I'm qualified to fly very small/single engine-rubber band/balsa Smiley

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Thank you all for your suggestions.  It seems that the favorite here is clearly the Twin Otter.  I kept coming back to it, I spent quite some time perusing the online manual, watching youtube etc.  In the end, I just couldn't convince myself that it would suit my fancy (at the moment), I didn't like the lack of charts or documentation about how to procedurally fly the aircraft, etc.  I'm sure its a wonderful, wonderful aircraft, but I just couldn't push the "buy" button on it.

The Islander looks like a damned good aircraft, but I just couldn't get excited about it.  With the Uiver DC-2, I felt I would have been too spoiled by Accusim products and been disapointed.  I also thought about the A2A B-17, but I have to admit that I wouldn't quite know what to do with such a specialized aircraft like that.

So.....

The Catalina it is.  The 400 pages of documentation, extensive charts, and the overall novelty/look/feel of the whole thing really won me over. If anybody cares, I will post (in another thread) a little mini-review a little later, giving you all some first impressions.

Thanks for your input, even though I didn't go with the majority opinion!!!
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 5:56am

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Looks like my post was not wasted after all. Roll Eyes  Grin

I think you will enjoy the Cat, it's really a nice model. Smiley
 

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Reply #11 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 4:23pm

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snippyfsxer wrote on Jan 3rd, 2011 at 11:49pm:
With the Uiver DC-2, I felt I would have been too spoiled by Accusim products and been disapointed. 

Hi, I'm biased ofcourse.
The Uiver is not 'accusimmed' in that sence, but we do have full system simulations.
The engines can be abused, and in that case will fail or catch fire.
You can do a full, by the book, cold and dark start-up, with working external power, fuelpumps, priming, flooding carburetors, etc. Forget one step, and you must try again. (or use ctrl-e, if you're lazy)
Props can be fully feathered, and you can see the propgoverners move. Airstart of the enigines is possible too.
Fuel system is completely modelled
Switching tanks is tricky, don't forget to flick on your fuel pumps, or the engines will stall due to lack of fuel pressure.
We have a working manual hydraulics system, with manual pump, in case your hydralic pumps fail.
You can do wheels up landing. The props will bend, but the plane will not crash. (as with the real plane, that's why the wheels stick out a bit)
At night, you can see if you're flying rich or lean, by the color of the exhaust flames.
It all comes with 3 external models, plenty free repaints, 3 VC's (1 with modern avionics, 2 completely steam gauges, all fluidly animated and modelled in 3D) and a fully modelled interior, including loo Wink,and virtually anything that can be clicked , switched or moved in the real plane is animated and functional in our model.

You can download the manual from our site for free, www.dc2-fs.com, and see what we have to offer.
You will not be dissapointed

The price is right, and the money goes directly to a good cause, the preservation in airworthy condition of the real plane.

Cheers, Rob Cappers
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Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 6:03pm

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Rob,

Thanks for the links and the information.  Even though "this time", I chose the Catalina, how 'bout this:  The NEXT plane I get will be the DC-2 Smiley  I've actually been quite interested in a DC-2 since I read Ernest Gann's Fate Is The Hunter.

I don't know if this happens to everybody, but I did try to access the manual on your site, but got a "file does not begin with .pdf" error, so I was unable to read it as part of my decision process.

Thanks for the reply!
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 6:14pm

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Cool Cool

Hmm. I'll check the link for the manual, I'm having some issues with my provider.
Edit: works on my side....

Yes, Gann's book is great.
You should try to get your hands on 'North star over my shoulder' by Bob Buck.
Very interesting. The guys starts on small bi-planes as a kid, flies airliners, starting with the DC2, and ending on a 747. During the war he does research on all kinds of weather phenomenae.

Cheers, Rob
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 11:14pm

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Rob,

I subsequently went out and bought the DC-2 in addition to the PBY.  Money well spent!

I was surprised at the extraordinarily low threshold speeds and the extreme nose down angle of the approach.  I haven't flown the default DC-Three in years, and never flew it "realistically", so in so far as the -2 and -3  are similar, I can't account.  The Aviodrome DC-2 is extraordinarily joyful to fly and very tame... perhaps too tame.  It only took an hour or so to start "looking good" with this plane.  Referring to the Gann book again, he does recount that the DC-2 was an absolute monster to land, and prone to stalling out and bouncing....I didn't experience that with this DC-2 and was kind of hoping that I would.  I know it is possible to simulate that, somehow.  Otherwise, quite a fine airplane, and great looking too.  You charge too little for it, and I think every flight simmer should go get themselves a copy!

An unimportant aside:
The sound set is great, but I wish it supported surround sound.  Very few developers do;  Even the much acclaimed Turbine Sound Studios sound sets don't.  What is up with that???  FSX has this capability, I wish that more developers would take advantage of it Cry

P.S.  I just ordered North Star Over My Shoulder.  Thanks for the recommendation! Smiley
 
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