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Reply #15 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 8:44pm

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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2010 at 10:15pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 6:03pm:
RaptorF22 wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 3:40pm:
Groundbound1 wrote on Sep 29th, 2010 at 11:53am:
Might do it, 'cept it runs Linux. Sad Grin Grin Grin


Aww, I didn't think about that. Sad
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Reply #17 - Oct 2nd, 2010 at 2:23am

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RaptorF22 wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 10:19pm:
snippyfsxer wrote on Sep 26th, 2010 at 3:38pm:
To me, "max settings" mean EVERY slider maxxed out.

Imagine running the Leonardo Maddog, at Aerosoft Heathrow, with 4096 clouds, 9.5 LOD, 100% Airline,GA, Boat, and Car Traffic, Max Water and Waves, Radar Contact running, FS2Crew running, EZCA, Weather program, etc, etc, etc.  And you can't let your computer "cheat" by fuzzing out the ground textures either--the ground must be in perfect full clarity out to at least 7 miles.  And while we are at it, try running all that at 5760 by 1200.  Now that is maxxed out.

The computer to do that doesn't exist yet.  A 980x overclocked to 4.5 ghz and a GTX 480 won't even come close.

People who say they are getting steady 100 fps in the PMDG 747 in -any- circumstance, are not even coming close to pushing up against the limits.  I'll bet that their system is gumming up the textures.

Your system specs will probably do fine, but "max"...no.


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I'll be danged. Just cuz some of y'all are having a real hard time runnin it, doesn't mean others are "gumming up textures".
LISTEN. I've BEEN running FSX for OVER A YEAR now with
ALL SETTINGS MAXXED

No "gum". No fuss, stutters, no junk, pixellation, crud, or ANYTHING. AT ALL. PMDG 747-800, ManhattanX, REX2 running 4096 clouds and water, etc all the way up. ALL, ALL THE WAY UP. I've posted screeny after screeny in here, and I don't get it. I keep tellin folks that it can be done. I'm no genius. if I did it, so can you! Just spend some money, and you will NO LONGER have FSX issues.
FSX is VERY busy, and some things hit a good system hard, but 20-30 FPS in a DENSE area with ALL ALL ALL settings MAXXED (meaning "all of 'em, all the way up") is very possible (even for you intel guys).
(that's just a comical jab at "the other folks", no harm intended)
So, it seems that even when someone does have a system that can do FSX great, you all wouldn't be happy (or even believe it). As soon as one goal is set, and then achieved, another (ridiculously impossible one at that) would be set. I hit 15-20 FPS running PMDG's 747-800, ManhattanX, REX2, all stuff that I had to pay for, and fulfilled my objective to you all, just to show that it CAN BE DONE. And the textures never looked better. I flew down 5th ave in Manhattan with a helo, and you can hear the NYC traffic noises! It's really neat, I recommend trying it!
For the rest of you doubting Thomas's, try this:
Run Prime 95 @ 128Million places of Pi, and Arma2, while running FSX and converting a video, such as braveheart. Then, build yourself a 3d model of a chicken. Put the model into a 3d oven, and cook it for 6 hrs. After that, watch braveheart, and eat dinner. Your girlfriends/wives will be happy, and you were too busy to complain about FSX.

RaptorF22 wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 10:19pm:
To me, "max settings" mean EVERY slider maxxed out.

People who say they are getting steady 100 fps in the PMDG 747 in -any- circumstance, are not even coming close to pushing up against the limits.  I'll bet that their system is gumming up the textures.

Your system specs will probably do fine, but "max"...no.


MAAAAAAXXXED. Even edited for a higher MAAXX. What, then, are the dang limits? Here's the difference:
Some would say it "shouldn't" or "probably doesn't because blah whatever junk".
I'm telling you that it DOES, and I know, cuz it's mine, and I know how to use it.
I've tried to get a few folks to join into a screeny tro-down, but it seems like too many people get all angry, or something.
Bah, why do I even bother?...
 

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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:19am

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Speed of flight wrote on Oct 2nd, 2010 at 2:23am:
RaptorF22 wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 10:19pm:
snippyfsxer wrote on Sep 26th, 2010 at 3:38pm:
To me, "max settings" mean EVERY slider maxxed out.

Imagine running the Leonardo Maddog, at Aerosoft Heathrow, with 4096 clouds, 9.5 LOD, 100% Airline,GA, Boat, and Car Traffic, Max Water and Waves, Radar Contact running, FS2Crew running, EZCA, Weather program, etc, etc, etc.  And you can't let your computer "cheat" by fuzzing out the ground textures either--the ground must be in perfect full clarity out to at least 7 miles.  And while we are at it, try running all that at 5760 by 1200.  Now that is maxxed out.

The computer to do that doesn't exist yet.  A 980x overclocked to 4.5 ghz and a GTX 480 won't even come close.

People who say they are getting steady 100 fps in the PMDG 747 in -any- circumstance, are not even coming close to pushing up against the limits.  I'll bet that their system is gumming up the textures.

Your system specs will probably do fine, but "max"...no.


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I'll be danged. Just cuz some of y'all are having a real hard time runnin it, doesn't mean others are "gumming up textures".
LISTEN. I've BEEN running FSX for OVER A YEAR now with
ALL SETTINGS MAXXED

No "gum". No fuss, stutters, no junk, pixellation, crud, or ANYTHING. AT ALL. PMDG 747-800, ManhattanX, REX2 running 4096 clouds and water, etc all the way up. ALL, ALL THE WAY UP. I've posted screeny after screeny in here, and I don't get it. I keep tellin folks that it can be done. I'm no genius. if I did it, so can you! Just spend some money, and you will NO LONGER have FSX issues.
FSX is VERY busy, and some things hit a good system hard, but 20-30 FPS in a DENSE area with ALL ALL ALL settings MAXXED (meaning "all of 'em, all the way up") is very possible (even for you intel guys).
(that's just a comical jab at "the other folks", no harm intended)
So, it seems that even when someone does have a system that can do FSX great, you all wouldn't be happy (or even believe it). As soon as one goal is set, and then achieved, another (ridiculously impossible one at that) would be set. I hit 15-20 FPS running PMDG's 747-800, ManhattanX, REX2, all stuff that I had to pay for, and fulfilled my objective to you all, just to show that it CAN BE DONE. And the textures never looked better. I flew down 5th ave in Manhattan with a helo, and you can hear the NYC traffic noises! It's really neat, I recommend trying it!
For the rest of you doubting Thomas's, try this:
Run Prime 95 @ 128Million places of Pi, and Arma2, while running FSX and converting a video, such as braveheart. Then, build yourself a 3d model of a chicken. Put the model into a 3d oven, and cook it for 6 hrs. After that, watch braveheart, and eat dinner. Your girlfriends/wives will be happy, and you were too busy to complain about FSX.

RaptorF22 wrote on Sep 28th, 2010 at 10:19pm:
To me, "max settings" mean EVERY slider maxxed out.

People who say they are getting steady 100 fps in the PMDG 747 in -any- circumstance, are not even coming close to pushing up against the limits.  I'll bet that their system is gumming up the textures.

Your system specs will probably do fine, but "max"...no.


MAAAAAAXXXED. Even edited for a higher MAAXX. What, then, are the dang limits? Here's the difference:
Some would say it "shouldn't" or "probably doesn't because blah whatever junk".
I'm telling you that it DOES, and I know, cuz it's mine, and I know how to use it.
I've tried to get a few folks to join into a screeny tro-down, but it seems like too many people get all angry, or something.
Bah, why do I even bother?...



Speed of Flight is right. Maxing out FSX is a no brainer. There is more than enough information on this forum to confirm this statement. Do the research. Lips Sealed
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 2:36pm

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Flight Ace wrote on Oct 4th, 2010 at 11:19am:
Speed of Flight is right. Maxing out FSX is a no brainer. There is more than enough information on this forum to confirm this statement. Do the research. Lips Sealed


Thank you! Sheesh!
It is possible. Very possible, in fact. I haven't adjusted my settings for over a year, now. CFG is edited for max texture size 4096 for Rex2, ALL traffic 100%, all scenery 100%, true that the 2d panel transparency is off, but who wants or needs to see through a panel? Water, all settings that go up to make FSX work harder and look better are 100%. P-factor, gyro-drift, everything. ALL settings.
How I did it, you ask? Easy. Whenever a new and expensive PC part comes out, buy it. Heavy duty PSU, Big Video card, highest-end CPU (either manufacturer will suffice for maxxing sliders), fast, low-latency DDR3 ram, and a very tune-able MB for O/C'ing the garbage out of that new, high-dollar CPU. Secrets revealed. It takes money, really. Can't compromise on the expense or the quality of good parts if you expect FSX to not compromise on your experience.
All the facts aside, time for some opinion. To the original poster:
I use AMD processors because they're cheaper, but if you want great performance, I do recommend using intel stuff. All the Benchmarking programs are designed to fit them best, and if you start this project, the next thing you do will be trying to speed it up. Go with the i7-930. 920 rox, but you get a little more zoom out of the 930.
Get yourself the 5870 or 5970 ATi cards, only because they freakin ROCK. No better out there. If you want to use that card and a great CPU, you need power to spare during a heavy workload. I use an 850W Antec, but things are getting somewhat power hungry. Go with AT LEAST that much, or better. Ram is everywhere, choose the lowest latency DDR3, and you'll be fine. I really dig the ROG crosshair3 MB and the Intel equivalent Rampage2 or whatever that one is. Look for "Republic Of Gamers" stuff for that.

Most importantly, do your homework. Numbers matter with all this stuff, but if you get the best there is out there now, you should be fine. This year's hardware releases have really put FSX users ahead of the curve. Flying it has been a pure joy since I stepped up my hardware. It will be for you, as well.
Good luck, and look for the deals! But get shoppin, so we can all see someone NEW ROCK FSX, and put all the doubters in a tailspin!
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Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 1:35am

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Speed of Flight, Flight Ace:  I don't think you have even begun to "max" anything.  Here is my version of flight simming; that is my setup, with apologies for the .jpg compression and the camera flash in the photo.  I only post this photo here because I sense that the attitude being conveyed by you guys is "Jeez, what is everyones's problem here, I'm getting 200 fps no sweat.  Everyone else must be stupid."  And I might add, it is annoying.  The fact is, other people are doing far more with FSX than you have probably even considered.    See if you can do this all sliders to the right.

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snippyfsxer wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 1:35am:
Speed of Flight, Flight Ace:  I don't think you have even begun to "max" anything.  Here is my version of flight simming; that is my setup, with apologies for the .jpg compression and the camera flash in the photo.  I only post this photo here because I sense that the attitude being conveyed by you guys is "Jeez, what is everyones's problem here, I'm getting 200 fps no sweat.  Everyone else must be stupid."  And I might add, it is annoying.  The fact is, other people are doing far more with FSX than you have probably even considered.    See if you can do this all sliders to the right.

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You are one in a hundred or more that has such an elaborate simulator setup. Why don't you tell us more about your Sim setup rather than making fallacious criticisms implying that two of your fellow simmers are giving people the impression and I quote "Jeez, what is everyones's problem here, I'm getting 200 fps no sweat. Everyone else must be stupid."

Shame on you. I as well as Speed of Flight has the greatest respect for everyone on this forum and that includes you. And as far as doing what your screenshot shows, my cockpit is not broken up into three slices only one and my scenery is every bit as good as yours. One last point, Every post I have made was not for impressing or conveying attitudes but providing information about my PC specs and how it performs with FSX. All represent my opinion with honest and accurate statements.  I have been rebuilding my PC on a yearly basis with the latest technology. I would like to think that the information I provide would help others who are looking for a good spec for FSX.

 

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Flight Ace wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 10:54pm:
And as far as doing what your screenshot shows, my cockpit is not broken up into three slices only one and ...


I don't have 3 times the screen real estate and horizontal resolution, I merely have "3 slices".  Nice.

Flight Ace wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 10:54pm:
my scenery is every bit as good as yours.


I doubt that.  Because if you were, you wouldn't be running all sliders to the right.  Think about it.  People who have their sims loaded up to the eyeballs with scenery and ambience enhancements like mine is, know that its a lot more complex than just slamming your sliders to the right, and calling it a "no brainer".  (No reason for anybody who has spent hours, days, or even months trying to optimize their sims, to be insulted by that, would there?)
 
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snippyfsxer wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 1:40am:
Flight Ace wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 10:54pm:
And as far as doing what your screenshot shows, my cockpit is not broken up into three slices only one and ...


I don't have 3 times the screen real estate and horizontal resolution, I merely have "3 slices".  Nice.

Flight Ace wrote on Oct 7th, 2010 at 10:54pm:
my scenery is every bit as good as yours.


I doubt that.  Because if you were, you wouldn't be running all sliders to the right.  Think about it.  People who have their sims loaded up to the eyeballs with scenery and ambience enhancements like mine is, know that its a lot more complex than just slamming your sliders to the right, and calling it a "no brainer".  (No reason for anybody who has spent hours, days, or even months trying to optimize their sims, to be insulted by that, would there?)


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As I have indicated in previous posts, all sliders crammed right as you put it (in my opinion) don't give you the best FSX presentation.

And I am assuming from your statement that your system is complex and loaded up to the eyeballs with scenery, ambience enhancements and you have spent hours, days, even months optimizing your sim to its present  entity. I would even think you have been at this for years. I have since Microsoft's first offering of FS. Also, obviously, your field of vision is greater than if you only had one monitor. I do think your Flight Simulator architecture is great. I would like to hear more about it.

Now having said all this, in the future, don't make up statements that I have said that are not true. I don't and never have, as a norm, suggested that anyone run FSX with sliders all right. I have done it only as a test and in a location suitable for it.
 

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Reply #25 - Oct 8th, 2010 at 8:05pm

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I think we are on the same page now.  My only point was that it is very very easy to humble even a powerful processor with a fairly short list of "must have" addons.  The original poster, who might be about to spend upwards of 3000 dollars on a dedicated FSX machine should know that if he decides to take it to the next level, by spending a couple hundred more on mesh, landclass, scenery, and good payware planes, he will have to deal with that with realistic expectations.  I think we would all agree (or should anyway) that the goal of enjoyable flight simming is to achieve smoothness, fluidity, and consistency and not to aim for a momentary spike of 100fps at max settings just to show that it can be done.
 
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snippyfsxer wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 8:05pm:
I think we are on the same page now.  My only point was that it is very very easy to humble even a powerful processor with a fairly short list of "must have" addons.  The original poster, who might be about to spend upwards of 3000 dollars on a dedicated FSX machine should know that if he decides to take it to the next level, by spending a couple hundred more on mesh, landclass, scenery, and good payware planes, he will have to deal with that with realistic expectations.  I think we would all agree (or should anyway) that the goal of enjoyable flight simming is to achieve smoothness, fluidity, and consistency and not to aim for a momentary spike of 100fps at max settings just to show that it can be done.


Now we're ALL on the same page. It is so easy to forget that these kinds of things always seem to set threads on fire. Nobody was suggesting that FSX is running at ITS max, but that it is running at it's max for the simmer. Let me straighten a few things out that I (and others) seem to misunderstand. Here's how I define what I meant:

1. All sliders up: Merely using the maximum fidelity that FSX displays through your monitor(s). Smaller or lower resolution may enhance performance (FPS) but that does not imply that FSX is doing the most that it is capable of. Adding a few "must have" accessories can adversely impact performance (multiple HD monitors, IMAX theater screens, etc.). The more you make it DO, the less likely you are to GET.

2. FPS "spikes": Occasionally, FSX can "spike" up to over 100 FPS. COOL! Having a consistent 30+ is better and more valuable to me than 8-10 avg, and a "spike". However, if your system can run at 30+ normally, and run in the 100s over plain areas (desert, ocean, what-have-you), then sweet! Why should one be criticized for that? That sounds good to me, really. Some people can't do that, and others get that normally. That's why those who do and can, try to inform those who don't or can't. It depends on your system (which is what the original poster was asking about, anyway).

3. Set real-world goals for your experience: You will not get FSX to run properly on a $35 computer with a 386 processor and 256 KB RAM and shared video. You probably won't even find a DVD ROM on a computer having these parts on it. Nor will you get it to run well on a movie screen with a 43 gigapixel monitor (not yet, anyway). But, let's face it. FSX didn't even know how big monitors would get while trying to use it. FSX never even saw it coming. It will do it, but there is NO hardware out yet that will "max out" on those settings. However, that's not even real-world. That's obsessive. I am all for that, but don't expect to run it fast yet. That said, on a GOOD system, one can regularly get 30+ FPS, easily. If you have all sliders right, and good components, and 1 1920x1080 monitor, it should do great. For the EXTREMISTS, (and that's what 3 HD monitors is still called, considering the available "affordable" hardware), give it some more time. Remember how long it took us to get this far...

Now lets talk about this:
I hate it when someone asks for an impossible feat on a graphing calculator. I won't quote it, but there was something to the effect of "REX on, UTX, GEX, FSPax, Heathrow, all kinds of 'too much' on there to list, and get over 100 FPS. I bet it brings it's system to it's knees". I don't now why I'm even going to dignify this with a response, but hey. Why not? My question is this:
Really? if you paid for all that stuff, and a system to run it, and the electric bill, you could have taken REAL FLYING LESSONS. This is a sim, and it does VERY well at what it's designed to do. Even gets you some real-looking cities to fly VFR around, but it is a SIM. If you need an entire wall-o-video, photo-real EARTH, and G-force, GO OUT FRIGGIN SIDE. Otherwise, enjoy 1080P video, on 1 screen, and get it to go fast enough for you.

All that said, I hope this can help put a good light on at least what I was trying to do. I think getting 30+ all the time, running a few REALLY GOOD addons is very good. If your asking for more than that, you will have problems for the foreseeable future. But by all means, push it harder. Let us know when you get it screamin! That's what we're all after anyway!
 

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snippyfsxer wrote on Oct 8th, 2010 at 8:05pm:
I think we are on the same page now.  My only point was that it is very very easy to humble even a powerful processor with a fairly short list of "must have" addons.  The original poster, who might be about to spend upwards of 3000 dollars on a dedicated FSX machine should know that if he decides to take it to the next level, by spending a couple hundred more on mesh, landclass, scenery, and good payware planes, he will have to deal with that with realistic expectations.  I think we would all agree (or should anyway) that the goal of enjoyable flight simming is to achieve smoothness, fluidity, and consistency and not to aim for a momentary spike of 100fps at max settings just to show that it can be done.


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We definitely are not on the same page. Speed of Flight summed it up nicely.

I would imagine there are simmers who are interested in a rig such as yours and would like to know just how well it performs with FSX given today's technology. Why don't you tell them?
 

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Still not on the same page huh?  What do you and your buddy Speed of Flight, disagree with?  I guess I really don't quite understand where you are going with this thread, then.  Enjoy your flight simming.

And to Speed of Flight:  Your last post was going okay, until, in so many words, you basically told me to "get a life".  As it might have occurred to you, this is a website for Flight Simming enthusiasts and hobbyists.  Why don't you take that attitude into the homebuilt cockpit section and see how they like that?  Until then, go back to flying your UltraTrike over Friday Harbor; because, in your own annoying, repetitive words, I'm sure that it "Rocks!"
 
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snippyfsxer wrote on Oct 9th, 2010 at 3:59pm:
Still not on the same page huh?  What do you and your buddy Speed of Flight, disagree with?  I guess I really don't quite understand where you are going with this thread, then.  Enjoy your flight simming.

And to Speed of Flight:  Your last post was going okay, until, in so many words, you basically told me to "get a life".  As it might have occurred to you, this is a website for Flight Simming enthusiasts and hobbyists.  Why don't you take that attitude into the homebuilt cockpit section and see how they like that?  Until then, go back to flying your UltraTrike over Friday Harbor; because, in your own annoying, repetitive words, I'm sure that it "Rocks!"


Holy moly! I'm not telling anybody to "get a life" or whatever. Dude, that would just be rude. Fact is, I even have considered the cost of a simpit, just for the awesomeness factor.
Sorry about the misunderstanding, and like I also said, keep pushing it! Limits are designed to be pushed, or else we'd still be flying dang DC-3's. Push it!
I fly all kinds of high-fidelity stuff, over photo-real areas, and enjoy it at FPS higher than tv (which is only 24, by the way). I think, however, that getting 3 HD monitors is "extreme", given the cost of hardware that is capable. If one wants that much realism, for your $ you can get a real pilot's license.
If you want "Extreme", hell, I'm working full-time and taking night classes M-F to get my A&P license. I work from 700AM to after 1000PM. Just to get close to the aircraft. So, I support pushing FSX, cuz I do on the weekends. But, making a 6000x1080 res monitor run at 50+ FPS will still be quite difficult, and I don't recommend someone looking to build a system for FSX to run well, try that. It seems, really, that you tuned in to say that "my system is better, looky what I got". If that's not the case, then I don't understand. The original poster asked "what kind of system to run FSX", and a few people told him what they got and how well it performs, and a few others offered ideas to try out. If you say that 3 monitors gives your desktop a hard time, I wouldn't have recommended my setup, if that's what I had. Nor would I have put myself into the same category as most people trying to ROCK FSX.
Good work, though. I think if you can crank it all the way up, and get 30+ all the time, then you should start your own thread about what you did to make it that hot. That would be far more useful than just nay-saying the couple of guys that tried to help.
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