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Cessna C310R is Released! (Read 1243 times)
Sep 6th, 2010 at 8:09pm

Fr. Bill   Offline
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The Military Visualizations Cessna 310R is now available for purchase at the official point-of-sale site at Flight1. Here you go:

http://www.flight1.com/products.asp?product=c310r

A number of real-world 310 pilots have already purchased and reported they are very impressed by how real she looks, sounds, and flies!
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:17pm

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While this is definitely 'eye candy' based on the wealth of exterior and interior detail, flight characteristics are as close to 'real' as I've seen in an FS model thus far.  Lose an engine and experience that 'not enough hands' feeling as you prepare for a single engine approach and landing.
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 2:53pm

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Two questions about this airplane:

1)Does the real Cessna 310R have cowl flaps?  (this model doesn't appear to, or else, I can't find them, despite being referenced in the checklists)  Edit:  Apparently these aren't modelled.

2)As I mentioned in another post on the flight school section, is the "wobble" effect when changing RPMs accurate?

Overall, I'm extremely pleased with this plane so far!

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Reply #3 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:39pm

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snippyfsxer wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
Two questions about this airplane:
2)As I mentioned in another post on the flight school section, is the "wobble" effect when changing RPMs accurate?

Overall, I'm extremely pleased with this plane so far!



It most certainly is! Something that many (most) folks aren't aware of is that the "tip tanks" are the "main tanks!" The aux tanks are located in the wing lockers.

As a resut of this unique situation, as the fuel sloshes around in the main tanks, the a/c exhibits a sometime pronounced "dutch roll" even during level flight...  Grin
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 8th, 2010 at 5:46pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on Sep 8th, 2010 at 12:39pm:
snippyfsxer wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 2:53pm:
Two questions about this airplane:
2)As I mentioned in another post on the flight school section, is the "wobble" effect when changing RPMs accurate?

Overall, I'm extremely pleased with this plane so far!



It most certainly is! Something that many (most) folks aren't aware of is that the "tip tanks" are the "main tanks!" The aux tanks are located in the wing lockers.

As a resut of this unique situation, as the fuel sloshes around in the main tanks, the a/c exhibits a sometime pronounced "dutch roll" even during level flight...  Grin



That makes sense, and if fuel sloshing is being intentionally simulated, then that is real cool modelling by you guys.  However, if this is intentional, can you explain why that "wobbling" would be every bit as much pronounced even when the tip tanks are empty??   Also, it only occurs when changing RPMs, not under other circumstances that one would expect to cause fuel sloshing.
This is a clearly a fabulous flight model,  but I'm still a bit skeptical about this particular behavior, that again, does not seem to have any actual relationship to the amount of fuel in the tanks.  Maybe we are talking about two different sets of behavior.  In any case, no big deal.
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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 12:11pm

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Part of that would be because the main tanks are never completely empty. They always have at least a few pounds of unusable fuel. Same applies to the wing locker aux tanks.
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 12:30pm

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I think that the strength of this plane is in its modelling of asymetric thrust, but it may just be a tiny bit much overdone;  Thus when you change the RPMs, if your two levers are out of sync by even the tinyest fraction, you get massive yaw moments.  I understand what you are saying about fuel sloshing, but I don't think that is the issue here.
I have noticed with the newest patch that the tendency to do this is not quite as bad as before.  The new patch, among other things, reduced the Prop Moment of Inertia;  If I understand this correctly (and I very well may not), I think that this causes the props to settle down quicker into their new RPM setting, thereby lessening the wobbling to some extent.

This minor issue aside, which is not a big deal, I think this is the light twin I've been waiting for.  I wish you guys at Eaglesoft would update some of the hand flying characteristics of your Twin Comanche to be as accurate as this one.  Because I think in terms of matching the published numbers, the Twin Comanche is right up there with the very best, and might even be more accurate than the 310;  The turning behavior isn't right though, and there is way too much landing gear drag.  If those things were addressed, I think the Twin Comanche would be my light twin of choice, instead of the 310. Smiley
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 1:56pm

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snippyfsxer wrote on Sep 11th, 2010 at 12:30pm:
I have noticed with the newest patch that the tendency to do this is not quite as bad as before.  The new patch, among other things, reduced the Prop Moment of Inertia;  If I understand this correctly (and I very well may not), I think that this causes the props to settle down quicker into their new RPM setting, thereby lessening the wobbling to some extent.


I had to modify table 509 of the airfile in the SR1 update to set the lower limit to 0.0x and 0.0y, which eliminated the "reverse windmilling" of the props when the user had only FSX+SP2 installed.

The only reason I lowered the prop_moi was to better synch the prop's stop with the engine shutdown sound.

As for the assymetry, all I can say about that is that Ken Stallings (owner of N5077J) and several other C310R pilots held up the release for nearly three months until they were satisfied. I've never had such a through and nit-picky bunch of alpha/beta testers in the twelve+ years I've been doing this professionally!  Cheesy
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 11th, 2010 at 2:36pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on Sep 11th, 2010 at 1:56pm:
As for the assymetry, all I can say about that is that Ken Stallings (owner of N5077J) and several other C310R pilots held up the release for nearly three months until they were satisfied. I've never had such a through and nit-picky bunch of alpha/beta testers in the twelve+ years I've been doing this professionally!  Cheesy


You can definitely see that this is a "pilot's" aircraft.  When I saw all the real world performance tables in the manual, I knew I had to get it, because clearly this was a "simulation" of an airplane, not just a peice of eye candy.  There are a lot of developers these days that don't seem to be accurate with flying characteristics, so it is really nice to see this.  For instance, I've heard bad things about the accuracy of several of the Carenado releases, so I have been avoiding many of those aircraft.
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