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Day15 MD-600N (Read 5635 times)
Sep 6th, 2010 at 12:57pm
learjunkie   Ex Member

 
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Started on rotor head re-work and also need to clean up model as it has a few problems....and too many open edges..

Cry  just keep swimming....
 
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:44pm

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15 days ,Don't worried some good modelers take years in a single model, I tried to take no more than 3 months .

I knew it when I saw those beautiful round shapes,My friend take and advise learn how to export more than anything FIRST...
,for example
I watch my model in FSX While I'm making it
,Animations ,shapes IN THE FSX GAME I use FSX-SDK-SP2

I'm working in a md 83 at this moment working on its flaps animation ,so I make then in gmax (Its the same as 3d max 5,7,9,) I'm showing how I do work and so far it has work very well for me
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Smiley Never forget this
You can't never start a proyect without Using 3dmax or Gmax AND FSX/FS9 Both as a design tools


otherwise You won't really see what are you making ,just because you see it in max it doesn't mean it will shown in FSX the same

Now I see you have some Vertices issues ,Right?
   

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Let's do something close your proyect and run Max 9 ,Make a box ,a simple box, in the tab  FSTool/ LOD tools  assing a name  Example "Box"
Now
try to export it as Flightsim DirectX (X) file
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 1:56pm
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Hi Alex...yes thanks I was going to ask you to help me export just a box...yes i will follow your instructions in making a box...lol

No luck  Sad its says i have no lod's or friendly name
 
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 2:02pm

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this is the place where TWO files *Xanim and *.X you have to export

Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\3DSM9\Plugins

Shocked I hope you are running windows Xp otherwise ...we will in trouble
NOt because it doesn't run ,is just that the procedure is diferent
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 2:08pm
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I get "Broken GUID or friendly name"....  No sorry I am on Vista x64  tho 3dsmax 9 is X32....

Ok I tried  by putting the name Box and then pressed create Guid...then i pressed verify... and got error  " no lod names or friendly name

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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 2:13pm

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No luck  Sad its says i have no lod's or friendly name


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No sorry I am on Vista x64  tho 3dsmax 9 is X32

Oh Gosh!! Undecided
well we will export and follow the shot I post under this

then later we will deal with the VISTA issue
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 2:40pm

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Ok please lear do not edit the post its confusing ,open new post (Leave the edit to me ,I don't even speak English LOL Grin)

Now Quote:
.then i pressed verify...


It doesn't matter don't use at the moment the Verified tool YOU will go to like this,this is  a composition I made the window will not show like this ,its for you to understand

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and BTW you will see and MDL exporting Option ,Don't even Bother that option doesn't work nobuddy knows why in 3d max ,BUT in Gmax does it Perfect No need compilations,just click and whala  and mdl file ..but this is gmax
 

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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:02pm
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Still No Luck....Ok i will give you step by step what I do...
1st..Open 3ds max 9....
2nd..Create Box 
3rd ..Click on AcesTools...Open LOD export tab
4th...type in friendly name "Box01" and hit Create GUID...
then
5th..Go to File...Export...then get error  " failed loading animation definition file M:\Program Files\...\3DSM9\Plugins\ModelDef.xml
 
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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:05pm

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Still No Luck....Ok i will give you step by step what I do...
1st..Open 3ds max 9....
2nd..Create Box 
3rd ..Click on AcesTools...Open LOD export tab
4th...type in friendly name "Box01" and hit Create GUID...
then
5th..Go to File...Export...then get error  " failed loading animation definition file M:\Program Files\...\3DSM9\Plugins\ModelDef.xml


Try to follow the following route and place were will be exported ,
Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\3DSM9\Plugin

try again

If it fails again then you will make a copy of modeldef.xml which is in
Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\bin  <---here is a Modeldef.xml Make a copy DONT REMOVE IT and paste it in the Plugin folder of 3dmax9
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:10pm
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Ok I have managed to get a .x file exported to desktop named Box01.x  ..heeehhha  now what? lol Cheesy

ps..yes i did just that ..copy xml to plugins  ...thanks
 
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Reply #10 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:16pm

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Ok now read this link which was made by Bill Leaming (alias Fr.Bill or N4gix)
I would tell you But this is his work he happens to be also a friend ,he manage to find a simple solution in the ""Send To" folder with a code ,was his idea,he tough me that

try not to get scare believe me is much easier than it looks

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/wiki/index.php?title=XtoMDL&diff=prev&oldid=7460

Ill wait 

PS:: don't read the lines at the beginning the ones in yellow and green ,just forget about that ,Is the below part which you'll read ok?
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:39pm
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lol i am reading but it makes no sense yet.... oh dear Grin
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:46pm
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sorry no idea here Alex...I am creating shortcut but it ask me for what item and i need to put location?  do i make a temp one or do i have to find the sdk path?
 
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Reply #13 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:46pm

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lol i am reading but it makes no sense yet.... oh dear Grin


Oh dear , first of all Set your system to NOT HIDDEN FILES  find it in folder option otherwise you won't be able to see some of the hidden files

Original Entry by Bill Leaming

Find the send to folder which is
in vista

C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

go back to the pluin folder you just exported the files and find XtoMdl.exe right click and make a shortcut of it for a moment in your desktop..
Next, right click on the moved shortcut and edit the "target" like this:

%windir%\system32\cmd.exe /K E:"\FSX_SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\3DSM9\Plugins\xtomdl.exe" /XANIM /DICT:E:"\FSX_SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\bin\modeldef.XML" > buildlog.txt


now place this shortcut from your desktop to here C:\Users\YourUserName\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\SendTo

now rename it like "Aircraft compiler " or anyname to remind you..

Close it up

Go to the plugin folder Find the X file example Chopper.X  right click on it and send it to "Air Compiler " or the name you choose.

Important: Copy and paste exactly this

XtoMdl /XANIM /DICT:..\..\bin\modeldef.xml Chopper.x

Chopper.X is the name I gave it can be md600.x it has to be the same name as the X file is in the plugin folder

don't forget to type the .x
let me know as soon you have the mdl file which should be now in the same plugin folder
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 3:56pm
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Ok i have opend the Send To folder....and alo created a xtomdl.exe shortcut on my desktop...
 
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Reply #15 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:15pm
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Ok  I have two shortcuts on desktop...AircraftCompiler  and  x to mdl shortcut...phew  Huh
 
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Reply #16 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:18pm

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Ok  I have two shortcuts on desktop...AircraftCompiler  and  x to mdl shortcut...phew  Huh



No you need JUST one shotcut from XtoMdl.exe ,the one it will become the file and to be place it in to Send to
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:25pm
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...phew...I have moved the aircraftcompile shortcut to send to folder....then i right click on Box01.x  to send but when the small black screen opens it says error "system cannot find the path specified"   Cry  i think i have to redo the target path...my SDK is on the M drive  at  M: Program Files\ Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\....
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:28pm

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lear, i replied to your pm...
 
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Reply #19 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:42pm
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Thanks MDFlyer....Alex is teaching me at moment how to export...losing my hair...

Alex..i am still getting the path error in the black window:(
 
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Reply #20 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 4:48pm

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you are having a CMD windows like this ,this is a compiled object

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Now can you take a shot to see what does it says?

 

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Reply #21 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:07pm
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The system cannot find the path specified.
Hi Alex I get the error message in the black screen....
The system cannot find the path specified

then when i copy the txt you said
C:\Windows>XtoMdl /XANIM /DICT:..\..\bin\modeldef.xml Box01.x

i get the following error
'XtoMdl' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Windows>
 
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Reply #22 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:13pm

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This is a problem that have to be try over and over ,first you need to have in your pC administrator rights , VISTA gives problem ,I also have windows 7 which is in my son's computer I test it there ,I did have to make couple changes but at the end it work in windows 7 ,I don't know in VISTA this is another example
http://www.aerodynamika.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1190145938

Keep looking  and digging that all of us once pass thru this too Smiley
 

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Reply #23 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:18pm

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Please change this ,go to "Send to" right click on the shortcut ,I change from 9 to 7 in the 3DSM7 and see


%windir%\system32\cmd.exe /K E:"\FSX_SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\3DSM7\Plugins\xtomdl.exe" /XANIM /DICT:E:"\FSX_SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\bin\modeldef.XML" > buildlog.txt
 

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Reply #24 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:36pm
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sorry alex..still cant get the correct path....when i try to type in the exact path in the target path...%windir%\system32\cmd.exe /K M:\Program Files\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\3DSM9\Plugins\xtomdl.exe /XANIM /DICT:M:\Program FILES \Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Modeling SDK\bin\modeldef.XML" > buildlog.txt ....it becomes too long and it loses the bit FILES
 
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Reply #25 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:49pm
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Hi Alex...my brain is no longer working ...been a long day and nearly 11pm here...I will give it a rest and re trace my steps and your instructions and let you know tomorrow morning....thank you very much for your help and patience   Smiley

ethan

ps goodnight
 
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Reply #26 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:56pm

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All I can say this is the only way and its has been the only way all the 3d max 7,8,9, designers are been working with Bill's method ,there's got to be something keep watching ,and read other forums ,reading and looking that's what I did back in 2004 when it was fs9-sdk and then came FSX-SDK and by asking and reading all around was the way I could fix it ,I export models from gmax and 3d max ,right now I have the VC from and old 717 I made and I'm using 3d max 7 and gmax at the same time ,My latest Citation X was made in Max 7   

just take some rest my friend and tomorrow a fresh head will be better ,I'll be here to help you  Wink
 

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Reply #27 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 5:59pm
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thank you again alex... good night Smiley
 
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Reply #28 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:29am
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Finally  ...heeeeha..I have a box...it is green ..it can't and won't fly...yet..but I have one!

Now how do i get it in the air?   Grin

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Reply #29 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 10:52am

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LMAO!!  Grin

Congrats!!!

well you have pass the most difficult part,now the rest ,you have to make another model with the VC for your chooper,I'm sure you already know this  Wink

Hold on there! how is that you have an ultralight and the box???? you should put the box as a model airplane  Huh
 

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Reply #30 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:28am
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Hi Alex..lol yes i was not sure how to do that...to make it as an aircraft?  do i use any air file and panel and sound? I think i need a mdl config? ...
 
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Reply #31 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:37am

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I just need to know if its recognize by FSX as an airplane ,see,
grab any one of the default model folder ,example

B737_800.mdl  or any other plane , Put it safety in your desktop (be careful not to delete the original MDL 737 default file!!) just move it to the desktop, then you will rename the box.mdl to B737_800.mdl Open FSX and open the boeing 737 and it should be there as the plane,I just did it with a joke I made about a thread

    http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/caballodetroya.jpg
 

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Reply #32 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:42am
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lol flying horse...ok thanks I will try that and get a screenshot if it works..hold thumbs  Smiley
 
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Reply #33 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:54am
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Yes Yes Yes!!! success...I now have a giant green FLYING BOX!   Thank you ....  I did not add any texture files... not sure why it remains green..as I only got a mdl file and xml placement / bgl file?  what a lot of drama!! Cheesy

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Reply #34 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:00pm

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remember me when you become famous LOL

now would you dear to export that beautiful chopper?  Roll Eyes

just to see how it looks in the game Wink
 

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Reply #35 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:06pm
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Lol there is no chance of me getting famous...lol...but I will put your name on it and make a custom paint for you  Wink

I am a bit scared but will try...does it matter if it has open edges and unwelded vertices and 60 000 polys?..maybe i should clean up the exterior model first then try tomorrow? I've noticed it has loads of parts and lod names??

ps. I would like to make a cessna 340a or 402 next so once the md600  fly..look out..I am now on a roll
 
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Also add the Cessna 182S to your list please. Or even the MD530F Cheesy
 
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Reply #37 - Sep 17th, 2010 at 10:24pm

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Nice!
I remember my first flying green flying box, shortly followed by my first flying teapot! Grin
If you're going to be making military A/C, a bunch of people(including me) would love a good SU-37 or PAK-FA.
 

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Reply #38 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 5:30am
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Thanks raptorF22...lol the flying green box is where I am still at the moment since the model just don't want to show up in fsx..I get a .mdl file exported but it is invisible in fsx...Smiley talk about a learning curve !!  ...so decided to rebuild from scratch...again
 
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Reply #39 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 5:41am

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Thanks raptorF22...lol the flying green box is where I am still at the moment since the model just don't want to show up in fsx..I get a .mdl file exported but it is invisible in fsx...Smiley talk about a learning curve !!  ...so decided to rebuild from scratch...again


Me?

..I am just a lazy sod... Wink...!

I pick something that someone else has already made... Grin...!

Paul...back to sleep........... Cool...ZZZZzzzz.....
 

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Reply #40 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 10:18am

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Fozzer wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 5:41am:
Me?

..I am just a lazy sod... Wink...!

I pick something that someone else has already made... Grin...!

Paul...back to sleep........ Cool...ZZZZzzzz.....


And I on the other hand, never fly FSX/FS2004 all I do sometimes is download a model and see how was shaped, I keep saying that MSFS a game , a simulator, and
a designing
game

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Reply #41 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 12:23pm
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Yes Paul, I think I may stick to flying only ...more fun...tho as Alex said,  fsx became more a "lets collect as many aircraft as possible just to see how they look" game but I am sure it is very rewarding to see your own design flying Smiley
...just keep swimming

For some reason I can get a box..or even a few boxes and shapes to show up in fsx..but as soon as I try anything that is a bit more complex..i get a 0 byte model or one that does not show up in the game..Sad
 
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Reply #42 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 3:02pm
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Does anyone know why the backfaces don't show in this attempt or is it normal?
...also if I add any additional objects to the selection to export I get errors and it fails..Sad  phew
...edit....figured out why backfaces did not show.. Embarrassed
ethan
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Reply #43 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 1:00pm

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Ooooh boy! here we go again, try not to use at the moment TEXTURES ,save the choppers work first of all and so go to the Utility Icon (the one with the hammer)click in  "more" a new windows will appear and there is a list UVW remove click it , and now select the whole chopper ,click materials  and now export like this JUST COLORS 
I do hope you have FSX-SP2 on you machine  
 

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Reply #44 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 5:00pm
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Hi Alex...Yes i am running FSX Sp2 with that SDK..and the model has not been uvw or texture mapped yet...I don't actually know how to do it..so another thing to learn lol Smiley

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Reply #45 - Sep 22nd, 2010 at 6:24pm

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I don't actually know how to do it.


remove all the maps and give it a try as I told you and see if it shows in FSX and if it does put a shot of it
That chooper has a texture map somewhere and that's why its becomes invisible ,remopve all the UVW maps (select all the chopper) and reexport it
 

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