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Sep 2nd, 2010 at 2:26pm

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In my various Motor cars fitted with normally aspirated petrol engines fitted with Carburettors, I often fitted a Vacuum Gauge directly connected/piped to the inlet manifold, to register manifold vacuum.

The Gauge dial was coloured Green, Yellow, and Red and the needle registered the Vacuum in these areas.

For economical cruising the needle should be kept in the green area, with the foot lifted off the throttle (greatest vacuum). Entering the red area indicated the throttle was being pushed down unnecessarily hard (breaking the vacuum), therefore; "wasting fuel!".... Shocked...!

I wonder if there is a default Sim Vacuum Gauge which does the same job, for normally aspirated, carburettor, Piston engined aircraft?

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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:12pm

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Yes.. it's the manifold pressure gauge... though it's background bitmap wont have colored arcs.. it just displays the pressure (or relative vacuum compared to atmospheric pressure)..
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:21pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:12pm:
Yes.. it's the manifold pressure gauge... though it's background bitmap wont have colored arcs.. it just displays the pressure (or relative vacuum compared to atmospheric pressure)..


...of course!... Smiley...!

Its the word "Pressure" which is/was fooling me...I was looking for a "Vacuum" Gauge. A "depression" in the Manifold!

Thanks for the reminder, Brett, I will find it useful to fit into simple aircraft which are not fitted with the gauge as standard...
It is a useful fitment to gain an idea of economical performance during flight.

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P.S. Some aircraft, (Default Beech Baron 58), are fitted with a small "Suction Gauge", registering + - 5 on the dial. What does that indicate?
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 7:14pm

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Fozzer wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:21pm:
P.S. Some aircraft, (Default Beech Baron 58), are fitted with a small "Suction Gauge", registering + - 5 on the dial. What does that indicate?

That indicates the health of the system which keeps the flight-instrument gyros spinning, be it from an engine-driven vaccuum pump or an external venturi setup.
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 7:41pm

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beaky wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 7:14pm:
Fozzer wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 4:21pm:
P.S. Some aircraft, (Default Beech Baron 58), are fitted with a small "Suction Gauge", registering + - 5 on the dial. What does that indicate?

That indicates the health of the system which keeps the flight-instrument gyros spinning, be it from an engine-driven vaccuum pump or an external venturi setup.


That's a biggie when flying by instruments. Many moons ago, I took off in a C172.. all was well until about 30 seconds into the climb. Earlier that day, a guy changed the battery, and failed to properly re-attach the vacuum hose .. it jiggled loose. It was a beautiful VFR, so no worries.. but when you lose the vacuum, you loose BOTH your heading indicator AND your attitude indicator.

Instrument traning prepares you for this.. and I can tell ya that flying in the clouds without those gauges is mind-bending. And it's why the third gyro-instrument (turn-coordinator), is electric. That, paired with the compass can keep you pointed in the right direction (and assure you that the wings are level).. but you gotta deduce your pitch by by your airspeed and power-setting, and back that up with a vertical speed/altitude.

While we're on the topic of of perilous failures... ponder what would happen if your pitot tube froze over completely, but the static port did not.
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 7:45am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 7:41pm:
While we're on the topic of of perilous failures... ponder what would happen if your pitot tube froze over completely, but the static port did not.


Well first you have to figure out what instruments would be affected, in this case, your airspeed indicator.  With the static port open, the other pressure instrument, altimeter, and vertical speed indicator should still function.  With the pitot froze over, obviously your airspeed indication would be useless.  Since the tube froze over with pressure still in the lines to the airspeed indicator, you would still have a reading, but it would not be accurate.  As you descend, your airspeed indication would also decrease, as the pressure difference between what is trapped in the pitot system and the static system would decrease.  However, if there was any kind of leak in the pitot system at all, your airspeed indicator would simply go to 0.
 
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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 8:12am

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Excellent !  Smiley

It's kind of a "what if" scenario and question; designed mostly to get new pilots to think about the pitot/static system, rather than just memorize enough about it to pass a test.

IF the pitot-tube iced over completely.. like you answered.. it would lock the current pressure in that side of the system.. and since the airspeed indicator works off of the DIFFERENCE between pitot and static pressures.. the airspeed indicator becomes a sort of altimeter.

What's particularly perilious, is that in a busy IFR cockpit, you rely on an airpseed indicator to backup altitude/attitude references. Let's say you want to execute a climbing turn.. and during this turn, you notice that your airspeed is increasing. Normally, that would mean that you're descending; so your instinct is to pull up a bit. In this scenario, that would cause the airspeed to increase even more, and if you pull up even more, you'll see an airspeed nearing Vne, while the stall horn starts blaring  Shocked

And of course the opposite is true.. if, during that turn you see your airspeed decreasing, you're instinct is to pitch down, which of course just causes the airspeed indication to continue drecreasing... and you end up looking at an airspeed needle nearing zero, in an airplane nearing Vne  Shocked
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 7:01am

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Just the thought of that, scares the heck out of me. It also causes me to respect those with the intelligence to become a pilot even more.
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:29am

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patchz wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 7:01am:
Just the thought of that, scares the heck out of me. It also causes me to respect those with the intelligence to become a pilot even more.
Tempted but I'll let this one go  Cheesy.
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 9:15pm

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olderndirt wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:29am:
patchz wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 7:01am:
Just the thought of that, scares the heck out of me. It also causes me to respect those with the intelligence to become a pilot even more.
Tempted but I'll let this one go  Cheesy.

Thanks for leaving me in my dream world, I like it there. Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:02pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 8:12am:
Excellent !  Smiley

It's kind of a "what if" scenario and question; designed mostly to get new pilots to think about the pitot/static system, rather than just memorize enough about it to pass a test.

IF the pitot-tube iced over completely.. like you answered.. it would lock the current pressure in that side of the system.. and since the airspeed indicator works off of the DIFFERENCE between pitot and static pressures.. the airspeed indicator becomes a sort of altimeter.

What's particularly perilious, is that in a busy IFR cockpit, you rely on an airpseed indicator to backup altitude/attitude references. Let's say you want to execute a climbing turn.. and during this turn, you notice that your airspeed is increasing. Normally, that would mean that you're descending; so your instinct is to pull up a bit. In this scenario, that would cause the airspeed to increase even more, and if you pull up even more, you'll see an airspeed nearing Vne, while the stall horn starts blaring  Shocked

And of course the opposite is true.. if, during that turn you see your airspeed decreasing, you're instinct is to pitch down, which of course just causes the airspeed indication to continue drecreasing... and you end up looking at an airspeed needle nearing zero, in an airplane nearing Vne  Shocked

Aha... partial- partial panel flying...  Grin 

I recently read some very good advice that relates to this sort of unfortunate circumstance, although it refers specifically to "what to do if you get stuck on top in a J3 Cub (which usually only has ball, compass, altimeter and ASI) and need to descend through the clouds".

The recommended technique is to set throttle at idle, dial in full up trim as it slows down, then sit on your hands and hook your legs under the seat (so you won't touch any controls).
Then you just wait until you break out... if you are lucky enough to do so before you hit something harder than a cloud.   Grin

 

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Reply #11 - Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:13pm

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Know what's almost worse than a partial panel ?

Flying in the clouds with "working" attitude indicator that has a roll indication that's off by 2 degrees... It short-circuits how put all the other gauges to use... even though you KNOW that it's off.
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2010 at 11:11am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Sep 9th, 2010 at 10:13pm:
Know what's almost worse than a partial panel ?

Flying in the clouds with "working" attitude indicator that has a roll indication that's off by 2 degrees... It short-circuits how put all the other gauges to use... even though you KNOW that it's off.


Thats why I was always taught to carry post-it notes in your flightbag.  If you have an instrument giving funny readings and can't trust it, cover it up.  A lot easier to do partial panel without a malfunctioning instrument in the scan.  I even flew VFR once with a bad vacuum pump and the instruments still were throwing me off with a tumbling AI and spinning heading.
 
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