Simviation Forum - MS Announces New Flight!

Reply #30 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 12:15pm

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Considering there's only been a 5 second video, and a press release. I think you're jumping the gun. We'll see.

I don't understand why you posted this, especially considering that you agreed with, and reinforced just about every aspect of my post.

So what exactly am I 'jumping the gun' on? Huh

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Reply #31 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 12:48pm

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Something also tells me that if it were ported to console (and I highly doubt it... The video only says Windows, not Xbox 360) they would make it very Kinect compatible.

Still. A flight ~~simulator~~ game like that needs a keyboard and actual controls. I doubt they will let a repeat of 'Steel Batallion' happen.

I reckon they'll put the game off for 2 years and try to bring in customers on a 30th anniversary kind of marketing scheme. A 2012 release seems most likely in my eyes. November 2012 would make it a 30th anniversary.

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Reply #32 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 3:31pm

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ShaneG wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 6:18am:

If it looks anything like that video portrays,
can you imagine how long it will be before anyone can run it?
Undecided

A lot of people are still having issues getting FSX & FS9 to run,
I can't possibly imagine why they would push the envelope even further,
unless of course they've gone the route of dumbing down the game engine to allow it to run smoothly,
and putting the real burden on the graphics card,
instead of the CPU.

I really hope this isn't some cheap 'video game' of flight.
It's bad enough that it appears to be online based.

Seeing as how the majority of MSFS supporters still feel abandoned by MS,
I see this one falling on it's face,
and being supported only by the trendiest of 'gotta have the best' types.

Won't hold my breath on this one. Wink

Let's not loose sight of the fact that FSX is based on an old code that is very ineffecient and does no even take any significant advantage of milti cores for example.

Hopefully it is now based on new code and will take more advantage of todyays CPU architecture.
Wasn't MS working on new code when it was mothballed?

Also, I assume it will take fuul advantage of DX10.

There would be no point in MS releasing a title with such dated code otherwise.

As far as "MS live"is concerned, we have to find out exactly what area of MSL will be used for it. Perhaps it wiil just be for MP?

Anyway, much more info about it is obviously needed.

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Reply #33 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 4:20pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 12:48am:

JC on a Crutch! I've haven't read so much rampant, paranoid and utter BS...

I think the polite word you are looking for is speculation.

And being that we are all engaging in it, and you have predictions you wanna add that you state are based on bread crumbs, please share your sources. Would love to see what you got.

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Reply #34 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 4:47pm

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I have many apprehensions but I hope it will be PC based, accept add ons from others and look forward not backward. The FS9 and FSX technology is totally out of date, even if I love them both....they are the history of sims.....if new tech is used both hard and soft we could see the New Era of Flight Sims...I hope we do.

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Reply #35 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:49pm

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Solid wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 4:47pm:

I have many apprehensions but I hope it will be PC based, accept add ons from others and look forward not backward. The FS9 and FSX technology is totally out of date, even if I love them both....they are the history of sims.....if new tech is used both hard and soft we could see the New Era of Flight Sims...I hope we do.

MS has said it will be for the PC

I agree that it's time we move foreward.

I suspect that MS is changing the title to more accurately reflect the direction FS is going which is a bit more game oriented.
IMO this is no a bad idea as long as it still remains a simulation at heart.
Personally, I would wecome an aspect of "Flight" that would make such things as air racing and formation flying, etc more accesssable and realistic. As it stands now, it's too contrived and limited IMO.

I would also welcome a combat sim base on the new code.

As I already staded, we need more info before we condem it.
We might be pleasently surprised.

In any event MSFS as we know it is history so lets move on.

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Reply #36 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:58pm

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Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:49pm:

As I already staded, we need more info before we condem it.

M$ condemned it for me, when they fired the Aces crew, instead of the idiots who made Vista. Grin

Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:49pm:

We might be pleasently surprised.

Only if it runs, this is M$ we're talking about. Wink

Keep It Simple wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:49pm:

In any event MSFS as we know it is history so lets move on.

This is my #1 issue with it. Smiley

I'll wait to see what Aerosoft, and the former Aces crew comes up with, you know, the people who are most qualified for this kind of venture.

Until then, I have FS9, FSX, IL-2, FlightGear and Xplane to keep me satisfied,
along with the MILLIONS of addons made for them by the wonderful community that kept the FS hobby alive,
and made it what it is today. Cool

M$ can........ Lips Sealed

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Reply #37 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:18pm

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ShaneG wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:58pm:

M$ condemned it for me, when they fired the Aces crew, instead of the idiots who made Vista. Grin

Vista was so 'bad' that they kept it on for another go and turned it into Windows 7. Try Windows Mojave for a bit and see if you like it Wink

I've never ever ever had a bad Vista experience and I've had for quite a while... Not long after the release actually. It's probably my favourite OS to date... Any issues whilst using Vista were down to the 3rd party companies.

I would love to know what they could do to the series to take it anywhere. Besides from a huge realism increase (lets face it, the weather and physics aren't great) there isn't much left. Modernise the airport list and improve the terrain in the lesser known areas (Port Angeles is such a lovely to fly around, but the terrain doesn't do it much justice as the towns look a mess from the satellite imaging). Just little addons. It would be FSX v2.

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Reply #38 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:40pm

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machineman9 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

ShaneG wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 5:58pm:

M$ condemned it for me, when they fired the Aces crew, instead of the idiots who made Vista. Grin

Vista was so 'bad' that they kept it on for another go and turned it into Windows 7. Try Windows Mojave for a bit and see if you like it Wink

I've never ever ever had a bad Vista experience and I've had for quite a while... Not long after the release actually. It's probably my favourite OS to date... Any issues whilst using Vista were down to the 3rd party companies.

I would love to know what they could do to the series to take it anywhere. Besides from a huge realism increase (lets face it, the weather and physics aren't great) there isn't much left. Modernise the airport list and improve the terrain in the lesser known areas (Port Angeles is such a lovely to fly around, but the terrain doesn't do it much justice as the towns look a mess from the satellite imaging). Just little addons. It would be FSX v2.

+1!!!

I have Vista and I have only had a few problems... and I had problems with xp and 2000!

I think it would be hard to make a FS11 because of how complex it is already!! If they tried to rewrite the script FSX uses they would run into so much trouble and people would be mad so I think they just stopped and started over for that reason! Wink

With that said... I'm keeping FSX for a while yet!

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Reply #39 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 8:07pm

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Here is the thing, due to the ACES team being fired approx. 2 years ago; the ACES team did not make this game, the original Microsoft designers made this game. It is going to be a game not a simulator. Undecided

None the less it does look like a great game!! Cool

BUT!!! There is a rumor that Microsoft is willing to higher a new ACES team, or re-higher the old ACES team to make a new flight simulator. **thats just a rumor** Wink

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Reply #40 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 8:16pm

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machineman9 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 7:18pm:

I've never ever ever had a bad Vista experience and I've had for quite a while... Not long after the release actually. It's probably my favourite OS to date...

Same here. I'm not sure why it got such a bad reputation.

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Reply #41 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:32pm

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I prefer not to say that a game series is moving in the wrong direction when all we have is some vague marketing BS and a non-gameplay video. Wait till we actually see the game.

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Reply #42 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 12:07am

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Copying from a post I made on another forum...............

It will certainly be interesting to see how this develops in the coming months and years.

My take on it?

Echoing a few others here and elsewhere, I believe that the "LIVE" elements will simply involve the ability to get addons (free or pay) through MS's marketplace system, and not much else. While MS did bin the ACES team, I find it hard to believe that they would revert FS....oh wait...I guess it's just "F" now Grin

to an "arcade game".

If anything, it could result in what is basically a bare bones FSX starting platform, and the LIVE elements come into play with anything that you want to add. While this may mean things such as "want something besides the included Cessna? ...pay us money" I believe that in the long run...the exposure that addon developers receive from this, including the free and payware developers here, will outweigh any extra "certification hoops" that one must deal with.
Basically, I'm imaging FSX with a completely different GUI when not in the flying environment. Of course, everything is going to be speculation right now, so we'll all just have to remember to "chill out" and wait until we receive more info.

Side note: On the other forum, there was speculation that this new program could lead to a required MS certification process for freeware and payware addons. While this may be a bit of a PITA initially...I think the ultimate benefits of increased public exposure will outweigh the bother of the approval process. Of course, this whole statement is made on a whole bunch of speculation, so what I am saying may not have any relevance at all!

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Reply #43 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 12:14am

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"chill out" and wait until we receive more info.

Best advice I've heard yet! Cool

We haven't seen or heard hardly anything at all! This is almost like a gossip thread! Grin

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Reply #44 - Aug 19^th, 2010 at 12:23am

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i think we should get everyone here and in every other site to totally ignore this ...pretend it isn't and never was....that's the response they deserve for this.... pull the strings and make people jump up and down...for what....cheap promotional gimmick ......

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