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Jun 28th, 2010 at 8:37pm

Dickert   Offline
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Does anyone know why subsonic jet engine intakes are almost always round when looking at them from the front, while supersonic jets are kind of square?  Do supersonic aircraft still ram all the head on airflow into the intake or does that square shape have some sort of baffle in there to limit airflow once the aircraft is sonic?  Just wondering if I need to re-design my Valkyret. 

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Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2010 at 10:35pm

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I don't belive there is anything like that, and I can think of some pretty fast jets with round intakes (F-16, F/A-18A/B/C/D, SR-71). It might be because it is easier to increase or decrease the size of the intakes to limit airflow when it is square.
Or it could be just for design reasons.
I think the Valkyret would look cool with square intakes, kind of like a squished SU-27.
 

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Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2010 at 11:20pm

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The only other item to consider is that high Mach aircraft tend to have some sort of boundary layer splitter, or suction device (like the plate found in front of the intake of an F-18A/C). This helps direct airflow into the engine while slowing it down to subsonic speed, so that the engine doesn't surge. Moving shock cones, like on the SR-71, likewise have the same effect. Aircraft with square inlets (F-14, F-15) have interior moving ramps in their intakes. So, anything goes, as long as there's some means to slow the air entering the engine.
 

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Reply #3 - Jun 29th, 2010 at 5:28pm

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Blackbird had round engines and intakes so did the EE Lghtning.

 
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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 12:12am

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Ok then.  Guess I’m barking up the wrong tree.
So how does this go… A supersonic aircraft has oncoming relative wind that is also supersonic, but the air is then slowed to subsonic before it reaches the compressor stage of the engine???  Then the air is mixed with full in the combustion chamber.  Then accelerated through the turbine stage, but it has to be leaving the jet pipe at supersonic speeds in order to have a jet reaction driving an aircraft to supersonic speeds.
So what is that “Surge” that CAFedm is talking about?  I’ve never had to worry about Surge on the F-28 or the CRJ 200 and CRJ 705 (the only jets I’ve flown).  They never talked about Surge in the ground schools.

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Reply #5 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 12:46am

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Hi Harold,

Maybe "suge" isn't the appropriate term but it's like a hiccup. You have it pretty much correct in that the air has to be slowed upon entering the engine compressor, only to be spat out again at high speed. Here's a link that explains it better than I could.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sniperz11/Diverterless_Supersonic_Inlet
 

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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 4:21am

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Maybe some of these applications could help Harold?

http://www.fsworld.co.za/index_files/aeronautics.htm
 

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