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May 30
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, 2010 at 9:29am
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Ok if you had either unlimited funding, or was backed by a company, or owned a company that was to modify
any aircraft
, to include helicopters, Military & gliders. What one, or ones would you do for costumers or your self, and why? Go into as much detail as you like.
Don't be bashful, feel free to post many times if you have lots of ideas for many different Aircraft
I'll start with the:
C-141C
The Last few C-141's that went to the bone yard, were completely refurbished and just needed a little Tender Lovin Care. All it really needed was a few things to make a civilian cargo plane.
-New CFM's
like on the KC-135R's. More power, extra lift, fuel efficiency, and the most important, comply with new lower noise laws.
-New APU
off of B737, but with the exhaust routed up and not at your face, like in its current location.
-Modular cargo floo
r and locking system off the C-130J, so new rollers can be easily gotten when they brake, and stowed in the floor when loading rolling stock.
-Upgraded flight deck
off of C-130J, so parts can be had easily, and with TCAS be allowed to fly on previously restricted flight paths.
-Reinforce The pressure Door
. I've been told that it needed to be heavily reinforced for added safety.
With all these improvements, it could be sold as a cheap Commercial Cargo plane for small companies that can't afford larger planes but still would like to expand there customer base, and routs.
As soon as I figure out a way for the SR-71 to utilize Jet A-1 and run it through the skin instead of JP-7, I'll post some ideas about that.
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May 30
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I would love to put amphibious floats on a PC-12.
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May 30
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A Bar, swimming pool, and sun lounge, in my Cessna 150....
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May 30
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Can a price tag of free on a 737-700 be a modification!
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May 30
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Can I put a hot tub in a Piper cub, along with a timeshare, and bathroom.
Oh, and i want Rockets attached to a MD530F, so me can go super fast.
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May 31
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If you put a little turbine on a J3 - 200shp would be fine. That would cure the forward CG problem, allowing you to solo from the front and push the cruise into the cautionary range. You'd only be out maybe half a mil'
.
THIS IS NOT A PANAM CLIPPER
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May 31
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I've actually wondered if anyone has thought of putting a smallish turbine on one of the Van's RV series aircraft. I think a RV-4 or RV-8 with a 300 hp Walther turbine would be a pretty nice performer. There are the "Rocket conversions which put a 260 hp Lycoming and some tougher skin panels on them, so I would think it wouldn't take much to make one a turbine.
Wow, I actually took the time to Google "Turbine RV", and found a multitude of projects. Apparently I'm not the only one with the thought.
Dave
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May 31
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What qualifies as "modification" rather than a new aircraft?
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May 31
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Bell 222 ===> Airwolf ====> Nuf Said
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May 31
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olderndirt wrote
on May 31
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, 2010 at 10:41am:
If you put a little turbine on a J3 - 200shp would be fine. That would cure the forward CG problem, allowing you to solo from the front and push the cruise into the cautionary range. You'd only be out maybe half a mil'
.
Something like...
Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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JoBee wrote
on May 31
st
, 2010 at 3:44pm:
olderndirt wrote
on May 31
st
, 2010 at 10:41am:
If you put a little turbine on a J3 - 200shp would be fine. That would cure the forward CG problem, allowing you to solo from the front and push the cruise into the cautionary range. You'd only be out maybe half a mil'
.
Something like...
[img]
Now that's a Super Cub. Do you have a link to the story on that baby?
THIS IS NOT A PANAM CLIPPER
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Jun 1
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olderndirt wrote
on Jun 1
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, 2010 at 12:05pm:
JoBee wrote
on May 31
st
, 2010 at 3:44pm:
olderndirt wrote
on May 31
st
, 2010 at 10:41am:
If you put a little turbine on a J3 - 200shp would be fine. That would cure the forward CG problem, allowing you to solo from the front and push the cruise into the cautionary range. You'd only be out maybe half a mil'
.
Something like...
[img]
Now that's a Super Cub. Do you have a link to the story on that baby?
I think I found that pic a couple years ago in an article about Oshkosh, can't remember for sure.
A little Googleing found -
http://www.rv7at.com/innodyn.html
And a couple short videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-4qoHxrD5Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXKONqmNqN4
Don't argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Jun 1
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Thrust vectoring and modern guts in the F-14.
B-52 built to the specs of Dale Brown's 'Old Dog'
B-36 with B-2 engines in place of the props.
F-15 that turns into a robot with a superiority complex.
♪♫♪‼
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Jun 1
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A turbine Cessna 150 with forward swept wings, full glass panel, and retractable gear. Not much of the original plane would be left after that though....
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 1
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Thrust vectoring and modern guts in the F-14.
B-52 built to the specs of Dale Brown's 'Old Dog'
B-36 with B-2 engines in place of the props.
F-15 that turns into a robot with a superiority complex.
The B-52 comment gave me a thought. There was talk of upgrading the Buff's engines to more powerful high bypass fans, and to reduce the number from 8 to 4. I would also think the same could be done with the 747. They could put just two of the engines from the 777 on a 747 with power to spare.
Dave
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DaveSims wrote
on Jun 1
st
, 2010 at 8:49pm:
ShaneG wrote
on Jun 1
st
, 2010 at 6:32pm:
Thrust vectoring and modern guts in the F-14.
B-52 built to the specs of Dale Brown's 'Old Dog'
B-36 with B-2 engines in place of the props.
F-15 that turns into a robot with a superiority complex.
The B-52 comment gave me a thought. There was talk of upgrading the Buff's engines to more powerful high bypass fans, and to reduce the number from 8 to 4. I would also think the same could be done with the 747. They could put just two of the engines from the 777 on a 747 with power to spare.
The B-52 Idea was canned because the wings hang so low when fully loaded for a bomb run, that the only motors that can go there are the new/old motors they are about to sling on the E-8C, the JT8D. So you would make the same power and not really gain any thing by it.
And would you want to mess up the great looks of the 747 by stripping off the motors? If any thing you want to have 4x GE90's on that bad boy, that way you can have the power to weigh ratio to do a tail stand in a heavy like an F-18.
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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on Jun 2
nd
, 2010 at 6:55pm:
DaveSims wrote
on Jun 1
st
, 2010 at 8:49pm:
ShaneG wrote
on Jun 1
st
, 2010 at 6:32pm:
Thrust vectoring and modern guts in the F-14.
B-52 built to the specs of Dale Brown's 'Old Dog'
B-36 with B-2 engines in place of the props.
F-15 that turns into a robot with a superiority complex.
The B-52 comment gave me a thought. There was talk of upgrading the Buff's engines to more powerful high bypass fans, and to reduce the number from 8 to 4. I would also think the same could be done with the 747. They could put just two of the engines from the 777 on a 747 with power to spare.
The B-52 Idea was canned because the wings hang so low when fully loaded for a bomb run, that the only motors that can go there are the new/old motors they are about to sling on the E-8C, the JT8D. So you would make the same power and not really gain any thing by it.
And would you want to mess up the great looks of the 747 by stripping off the motors? If any thing you want to have 4x GE90's on that bad boy, that way you can have the power to weigh ratio to do a tail stand in a heavy like an F-18.
747 does not have too much excess underwing space either. Boeing could not put the 787 Genx engines under 747-8 and had to design a special, smaller Genx for the 747-8.
How about, an A380-800 modified with Trent XWB engines, brakes on all main wheels, centre fuel tank and MTOW boosted to 605 t? What will the range be like, with light payloads?
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JATO bottles to go with my turbine J3.
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Thrust vectoring, canards, and modern guts in a F-14.
A super F-22 with canards and rotary weapons bays with 6 hard points each.
A SR-71 with modern guts, more powerful engines and internal weapons bays.
A stealth SU-37 with US avionics.
A 747-8 outfitted like a VC-25 for a private jet.
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RaptorF22 wrote
on Jun 24
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, 2010 at 10:10pm:
A SR-71 with modern guts, more powerful engines and internal weapons bays.
Do they make an engine any more powerful? I know they have the scram jet now, but would it work on the Blackbird?
RaptorF22 wrote
on Jun 24
th
, 2010 at 10:10pm:
A stealth SU-37 with US avionics.
I believe their new plane, is pretty much just that.
It's ugly as sin too.
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ShaneG wrote
on Jun 25
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, 2010 at 4:56am:
RaptorF22 wrote
on Jun 24
th
, 2010 at 10:10pm:
A SR-71 with modern guts, more powerful engines and internal weapons bays.
Do they make an engine any more powerful? I know they have the scram jet now, but would it work on the Blackbird?
I don't know, but I would go with scramjets or ramjets surrounding a modern version of the SR-71s engines.
Along with composite/titanium reinforcement.
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on Jun 24
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, 2010 at 10:10pm:
A stealth SU-37 with US avionics.
I believe their new plane, is pretty much just that.
It's ugly as sin too.
The SU-47?
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A Pratt and Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp motor in the nose of my Cessna 150....
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..a R-4360 Wasp Major would be very nice, but maybe a bit too heavy?...
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Fozzer wrote
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..a R-4360 Wasp Major would be very nice, but maybe a bit too heavy?...
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Mitch. wrote
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Fozzer wrote
on Jun 25
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, 2010 at 12:30pm:
..a R-4360 Wasp Major would be very nice, but maybe a bit too heavy?...
...!
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Have fun changing all 56 spark plugs.
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Thought about this in another thread. Take the plans for the Spruce Goose, but build it using modern composites and propulsion. Its design was too far ahead of its time, and might be more feasible now.
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DaveSims wrote
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Thought about this in another thread. Take the plans for the Spruce Goose, but build it using modern composites and propulsion. Its design was too far ahead of its time, and might be more feasible now.
I would love to see that.
Other than cost, I don't see why it couldn't work.
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Boeing is working on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican
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specter177 wrote
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Boeing is working on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Pelican
That thing is as ugly as sin.
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B-52 with 8 F-22 engines
Carriers would be so mush easier to land on if they would just stop turning!!!
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B-52 with 8 F-22 engines
Your gonna' break the wings off!!
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I'de pull the last XB-70 out of storage and get it flying again. And you know what, I wouldnt change a thing because she's perfect the way she is. I think it would be amazing to see that thing fly again. Like for airshows or somthing. I went to the AF Museum in OH and stood under her.
How she ever got to mach 3 was amazing.
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