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May 25th, 2010 at 10:37am

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Is there a list of what prefexes in aircraft registration numbers refer to what countries? For example, "N" I know refers to U.S. registration. ie N845US.
 
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Reply #1 - May 25th, 2010 at 10:53am

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Reply #2 - May 25th, 2010 at 10:55am

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flipside wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 10:37am:
Is there a list of what prefexes in aircraft registration numbers refer to what countries? For example, "N" I know refers to U.S. registration. ie N845US.


Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration

Paul...G-BPLF...G = United Kingdom (England)... Wink...!

Doug....Snap!.... Grin..!

Extra...Doug, Do you know what the letter immediately following the "G-" signifies;, eg; G-Bxxx?
I assume its the the approximate date, or period, of the initial registration of the Aircraft?
In my Flight Sim case: G-B(PLF ...my initials).

G-BHAC....(Hereford Aero Club).
 

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Reply #3 - May 25th, 2010 at 11:44am

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In Canada it is "C-" Which is either followed by an "F" or a "G". Some airplanes, older airplanes, will still have the "CF-" designation on them, but most these days just have "C-F..." or "C-G..."
 
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Reply #4 - May 25th, 2010 at 12:40pm

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Airfield ICAO Codes for Countries:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Civil_Aviation_Organization_airport_c...

Paul...G-BPLF...EGBS.... Cool...!
 

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Reply #5 - May 25th, 2010 at 12:45pm

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Fozzer wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 10:55am:
Extra...Doug, Do you know what the letter immediately following the "G-" signifies;, eg; G-Bxxx?
I assume its the the approximate date, or period, of the initial registration of the Aircraft?
In my Flight Sim case: G-B(PLF ...my initials).

G-BHAC....(Hereford Aero Club).

I believe it was originally a natural progression. In 1919 (when Britain still had an Empire) the British Empire was allotted the letter G followed by by a dash and 4 more letters. The first letters after the dash identified the country. Great Britain was allotted G-E*** (for powered fixed wing types) & G-F*** (balloons & airships), Australia G-AU**, Canada G-CA** & New Zealand G-NZ**.
Then in 1928 the Dominions got  their own letters & the British ones started all over again at G-AAAA. Registrations were allocated strictly in alphabetical order so when they reached G-AZZZ they carried on with G-BAAA. With a couple of exceptions out-of-sequence registrations were not permitted until 1974 when owners could choose their own personal letters (like G-DOUG) if available.

G-AAAA was a DH.60G Gipsy Moth owned by Sir Geoffrey de Havilland.
G-AZZZ is a DH.82A Tiger Moth owned by the secretary of the de Havilland Moth Club.


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In my Flight Sim case: G-B(PLF ...my initials).

G-BPLF was allocated to a hot-air balloon in 1989 & cancelled in 2001. British registration letters cannot be re-allocated.
 

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Reply #6 - May 25th, 2010 at 4:44pm

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Given the variety that is available in the US (N#, N##, N#A, N##A, N###, N####, N#####, N###A, N####A, N#AA, N##AA, N###AA, etc.), there are a large amount of possible registration numbers.  How ever in a system of of just four letters, the amount of available numbers is much smaller.  What do nation's do about running out?
 
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Reply #7 - May 25th, 2010 at 4:54pm

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DaveSims wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 4:44pm:
Given the variety that is available in the US (N#, N##, N#A, N##A, N###, N####, N#####, N###A, N####A, N#AA, N##AA, N###AA, etc.), there are a large amount of possible registration numbers.  How ever in a system of of just four letters, the amount of available numbers is much smaller.  What do nation's do about running out? 

Well, we haven't run out yet & unlike the US N numbers UK registrations cannot be re-issued. I think it goes to prove that there are far more civil aircraft in the USA than other countries.

I'm no mathematician & have no idea of the number of possible permutations in a 4-letter registration.  Perhaps some clever clogs can work it out. (The letter Q is not used in UK registrations.)
 

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Reply #8 - May 25th, 2010 at 5:54pm

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Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
........ unlike the US N numbers, UK registrations cannot be re-issued.



Bit of a shame, that.... Cry....

Cessna 152; G-BHAC was a regular sight at; "Herefordshire Aero Club" (HAC) before her fatal crash...>>>

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/march_2007/cessna_a152__g_bhac.cfm

....so the Club lost their individual, registered Aircraft, forever!

Shame...I miss her!

http://www.aeroclub.co.uk/Default.aspx

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The Balloon, G-BPLF, didn't fare to well either!... Cry...!

..(someone stuck a pin in it?).... Grin...!
 

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Reply #9 - May 25th, 2010 at 8:03pm

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Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
I'm no mathematician & have no idea of the number of possible permutations in a 4-letter registration.  Perhaps some clever clogs can work it out. (The letter Q is not used in UK registrations.)


There are approximately 1,679,616 combinations that can be used in 4 unit registrations with 26 letters and 10 numbers, including Q. There are 1,500,625 without Q.

Sorry, my genious is showing  Roll Eyes

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In a standard 5 unit registration excluding "N" there are only 658,008. wierd huh?  Grin
 

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Reply #10 - May 25th, 2010 at 11:03pm

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SaultFresh wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 11:44am:
In Canada it is "C-" Which is either followed by an "F" or a "G". Some airplanes, older airplanes, will still have the "CF-" designation on them, but most these days just have "C-F..." or "C-G..."


For example: The prototype of the deHavilland DHC-2 Beaver was CF-FHB (the 'FHB' stood for Frederick H. Buller, the designer.)

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Reply #11 - May 25th, 2010 at 11:45pm

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I believe the correct word is "Genius". While "Genious" seems to be used by more and more people, it has no dictionary entry, and also appears as a misspelled word on the forum's spell check.

As for the "CF-..." thing, I didn't know that about the Beaver, but then again, it was around long before my parents were even thought of, haha. I do know that many older aircraft bare a similar insignia to that, like CF-TCC, which is a Lockheed 10A Electra once used for Trans-Canada Airlines, as well as one of Buffalo Airways' Douglas C-54 Skymaster's (CF-BAA) and their Norseman (CF-SAN). Those are the only three I know, but I'm sure there are hundreds registered across Canada, each with a unique story.
 
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Reply #12 - May 26th, 2010 at 2:37am

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SaultFresh wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 11:45pm:
I believe the correct word is "Genius". While "Genious" seems to be used by more and more people, it has no dictionary entry, and also appears as a misspelled word on the forum's spell check.

Tyler is obviously better at maths than at spelling. Thanks Tyler. Wink

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As for the "CF-..." thing, I didn't know that about the Beaver, but then again, it was around long before my parents were even thought of, haha. I do know that many older aircraft bare a similar insignia to that, like CF-TCC, which is a Lockheed 10A Electra once used for Trans-Canada Airlines, as well as one of Buffalo Airways' Douglas C-54 Skymaster's (CF-BAA) and their Norseman (CF-SAN). Those are the only three I know, but I'm sure there are hundreds registered across Canada, each with a unique story.

You can check the vintage Canadian civil aircraft register (1919 to 1939) here --> http://www.goldenyears.ukf.net/reg_CF-.htm
 

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Reply #13 - May 26th, 2010 at 3:10am

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Well that's a pretty neat website. It says that CF-TCC was sold to the U.S. though, :0( that's unfortunate. I got to see it once last summer as it was making it's way across the country (of Canada) from its home (in Winnepeg, Manitoba... I think) to Baddeck, Nova Scotia to celebrate the centennial year of powered flight in Canada.
 
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Reply #14 - May 26th, 2010 at 3:31am

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SaultFresh wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 3:10am:
Well that's a pretty neat website. It says that CF-TCC was sold to the U.S. though, :0( that's unfortunate. I got to see it once last summer as it was making it's way across the country (of Canada) from its home (in Winnepeg, Manitoba... I think) to Baddeck, Nova Scotia to celebrate the centennial year of powered flight in Canada.

That was in 1969. The aircraft has since been returned to Canada. http://www.acfamily.org/tcc/history.html
 

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Reply #15 - May 26th, 2010 at 5:15am

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In Australia we use the VH- prefix followed by 3 random letters. VH-MAB for example. Which leaves 17,576 possible combinations to be shared by GA, commercial liners, helicopters, ballons, recreational and gliders. Luckily we can re-use old registrations here. And as of September 2009, there were 12,477 aircraft on the Australian Civil Aircraft Register. Wink
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Reply #16 - May 26th, 2010 at 9:40am

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Fozzer wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 10:55am:
G = United Kingdom (England)... Wink...!
Often to their dismay, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, along with England, comprise the United Kingdom  Smiley.
 

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Reply #17 - May 26th, 2010 at 11:33am

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Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 12:45pm:
G-BPLF was allocated to a hot-air balloon in 1989 & cancelled in 2001. British registration letters cannot be re-allocated.


I've just noticed this....... Rather apt that Paul's registration was for a HOT AIR balloon Wink Cheesy Cheesy
 

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Reply #18 - May 26th, 2010 at 12:21pm

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Tyler012 wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 8:03pm:
Hagar wrote on May 25th, 2010 at 4:54pm:
I'm no mathematician & have no idea of the number of possible permutations in a 4-letter registration.  Perhaps some clever clogs can work it out. (The letter Q is not used in UK registrations.)


There are approximately 1,679,616 combinations that can be used in 4 unit registrations with 26 letters and 10 numbers, including Q. There are 1,500,625 without Q.

Sorry, my genious is showing  Roll Eyes

=EDIT=
In a standard 5 unit registration excluding "N" there are only 658,008. wierd huh?  Grin



In Britain, the registration is four units, composing of 25 different letters.  The number for the US is low, considering the number can be between 1-5 units, using all numerals, and the last two are optionally letters.  I would think the number of possibilities would be very large.
 
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Reply #19 - May 26th, 2010 at 3:36pm

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I picked my reg # from an old license plate on my pick-up truck 2CW- 432 and just change the 2 to an N, NCW432.
 
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Reply #20 - May 26th, 2010 at 6:20pm

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Ang2dogs wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 3:36pm:
I picked my reg # from an old license plate on my pick-up truck 2CW- 432 and just change the 2 to an N, NCW432.


US Registries only allow for letters at the end of the number, such as N432CW.
 
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Reply #21 - May 27th, 2010 at 8:06am

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From the FAA website:
I little history of the N number in the US. Brief mention of G, as well as M and B for the UK.

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registr...
 
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DaveSims wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 6:20pm:
Ang2dogs wrote on May 26th, 2010 at 3:36pm:
I picked my reg # from an old license plate on my pick-up truck 2CW- 432 and just change the 2 to an N, NCW432.


US Registries only allow for letters at the end of the number, such as N432CW. 


Your right on Davy. When I was looking for a tail#, I was looking for one that I can rember and hear easy when ATC called and I 1st went with N432CW, but one day I googled that reg and found out it belong to a Beech 400A. So as not to piss anyone off by using that # when on multiplayer, and to be sure I was the only one to have it I changed it back to the lic plate #. But now according to
Al_Fallujah's post regarding http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registr... I could change my tail# to NC432W, but that belongs to a glider, so now just to try and be "as real as I can get" I'm doing a search for the latest US GenAv tail #, than I'll make a tail# that won't be used untill at least 10 years into the future Grin, anyways here's a site I think you's guys might like to check out http://www.goldenyears.ukf.net/home.htm.
 
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Reply #23 - May 28th, 2010 at 9:33pm

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Here's an interesting article - especially for US registrations.  www.aahs-online.org/articles/N-number.htm
 

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I must say, this is one of the most informative post for commercial and private.  Smiley
 

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