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Multi-Crew Experience - strong recommendation (Read 3909 times)
May 11th, 2010 at 3:57pm

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Sometimes you come across an incredible value for the dollar.

I have had this program for a long while, but I finally have a computer that will actually "do it justice".  And it is a total WOW! 

If you fly an aircraft that typically has a copilot, and particularly if you fly the "aluminum cigars", do yourself a serious favor and download the fully functional demo version of this software.  Invest a little while in voice training and learning the software.  You will be amazed.

I'd advise that you likely need a machine that has at least dual cores.  And the faster the better.  (I'm running quad core i7-960 now at 3.2GHz.)

I'd also say here don't too quickly "write off" the sound of the computerized default voice completely.  It is not too bad in actual practice.  However, with an additional small investment, a payware SAPI 5 voice will make an amazing difference in the speech quality.  I am using Cepstral's David as my copilot.  I'll add another Cepstral voice soon as one of the flight crew.

The complexity of the program is totally astounding. 

You can simply tell your copliot what you want him/her to do... and they do it.  With vocal responses.  Say, "Tune the comm one to 121.75"... and it happens.  With a confirmation of what was done. 

Want to know the frequency of the ILS you are approaching?  Just ask, he/she will look it up and tell you.  Or ask how much fuel is remaining.  Or get the latest weather report.

Ask him/her to handle all ATC activities in flight... and he/she does.  Ask him/her to obtain taxi clearance... and he/she does. 

Want to handle all ATC activities yourself?  Then just talk to the default (or Radar Contact!) ATC folks as you would in real life (using more or less approved phraseology).  It will work like live people are involved.

Ready to sart up from cold and dark?  Ask for the Before Start Checklist... and you two go thru it together, step by step.  If he/she says "Flaps" and you say, "Retracted" and they are NOT........ he/she will question you about that.  If you want to skip an item... just tell him/her.  And if you want to make up your own custom checklists... you can do that.

If you are ignoring something like flaps retraction and your speed goes too high.... he/she will let you know that.  Do that crap too often and he/she gets pretty "snippy" about it.

And you are not tied to a small set of phrases you have to tightly memorize.  It has a wide latitude of interpretation of "real talking".  And it comes with an editor that lets you add custom instructions, responses, and key send commands!

And their customer service is totally outstanding!

I can go on and on about all the stuff that this program will do for you.  The included docs alone will fill a book.  Suddenly it is more like working in a multi crew cockpit environment.  Which it what it is all about in reality.  The program is aptly named.

Try it...... you'll like it.

http://www.multicrewxp.com/

best,

....................john
 

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Reply #1 - May 12th, 2010 at 2:44am

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I'm seriously drooling!  Shocked
Though having a real fellow flightsimmer with his/her own display and set of commands would be even better  Smiley
But seriously, wow.
Unfortunately look at my specs... I can only dream of that for the time being (or can't I)?  Cry
 

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Reply #2 - May 12th, 2010 at 10:56am

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FridayChild wrote on May 12th, 2010 at 2:44am:
Unfortunately look at my specs... I can only dream of that for the time being (or can't I)?  Cry


TRY it.  It is a free fully functional download.  It runs fully for a certain number of starts and then disables.

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.................john
 

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Reply #3 - May 16th, 2010 at 11:24pm

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Just did an IFR flight hand flown from KBOS to KLGA, RW weather, activesky6.5 online updates.  Lots of AI.

Pretty amazing to tell the copilot "You have the radios" when inflight, and listen to him say "Sure" and then communicate back and forth automatically with the default ATC verbally, as appropriate.  They call... he answers with whatever is needed, changes frequencies as hand offs happen, and so on.

And when we were at the gate setting up I just asked him to get IFR clearance for us... and he did the whole job.

When I screw something up (like not holding the heading to a certain tolerance) he makes a remark.  And if I still don't do it , he gets "snarkier".

And to work thru the checklists interactively with another "person".  If something is not actually set correctly compared to the responses given.... he calls you on it.  No slipping up with this guy.

Slick.

best,

................john
 

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Reply #4 - May 18th, 2010 at 9:59am

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If you are using Cepstral SAPI 5 payware voices.... see here:

http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1274190593

best,

.................john
 

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Reply #5 - May 19th, 2010 at 3:33am

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Do you think this addon can be easily uninstalled in case I find it too resource-hungry for my lower end PC? Once installed, does it create an "uninstall" link?
 

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Reply #6 - May 19th, 2010 at 5:59pm

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Yup....easy install link via the Control Panel.

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Reply #7 - May 21st, 2010 at 11:43am

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I've installed the trial version and I've done a training session as required.
I've only tested it briefly, but unfortunately once FS is running it seems to pick only a small fraction of the commands I speak, as opposed to the wizard/setup procedure (once I completed the 10 minutes training and took the test from within the wizard, it was able to recognize almost every command I tried). Perhaps it's due to the slow CPU (no problem when FS is not running, slow and unresponsive when it is).
Another thing which annoys me is that the program speaks the window changes (announces the dialog boxes... "dialog window"... "flight window") and I can't turn off this, can I? For some reason it is using the (ugly) MS Mary voice for this announcements instead of the TTS voices I've selected in the options.
So, all in all for now my opinion is suspended, hope you can help me to understand what to do to solve these little annoyances.
Thanks!
 

Founder of A.A.A.A.A.A.A. (Aircraft Amateurs' Association Against Absurd Aviation Acronyms) My system specifications: FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2004 - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ CPU - 3 GB PC-3200 DDR400 dual channel RAM - 500 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm SATA-II hard disk - Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 1 GB PCI-E graphic card - Logitech Wingman Force 3D joystick + Logitech Formula Force pedals My FS whereabouts: low and slow, small single engine prop GA, Italy airfields.
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Reply #8 - May 21st, 2010 at 12:37pm

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Fridaychild,

Likely it is the slower CPU causing that when the sim is also running.  Do you have "optimizations" checked off in the setup screens?  That will use other cores automatically instead of core 1... which the sim uses exclusively.  That might help if it is not activated.  Also there is s slider that sets the amount of CPU you want to dedicate to MCE.  Play with that.  As well as the "speed" setting near the cpu setting... which is how fast YOU tend to talk.... not the copilot.

There is a place to shut that dialog voice voice off.... but I can't remember where though.  Look around on the setup screens and also read the 6 million pages of documentation  Wink.

As for the voices that the copilot, ground mechanic, and purser use... those are selectable in a setup dialog.  You can also tune pitch and speed of their voices.

Best to start with only a few functions active until it is better trained (it learns as you use it) and until you understand the whole program better.  Turn off "monitoring"..... whcih is where the copilot watches your every move and "gets on your back" if you stray from correct procedures and such.  Just uncheck the checkbox.

There is a little undocumented function for you to activate.  On the main MCE menu screen RIGHT click.  That will bring up a little menu that allows you to add red lettering that is showing onscreen what it thinks you are saying.  This can be turned on and off whwenever you want.  Helps to debug.

Hopefully this will get you moving again.

best,

...................john
 

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Reply #9 - May 21st, 2010 at 4:06pm

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JBaymore wrote on May 21st, 2010 at 12:37pm:
Do you have "optimizations" checked off in the setup screens?  That will use other cores automatically instead of core 1... which the sim uses exclusively.


That would really help... IF I had another core!  Grin
I'm still in the stone age of CPUs. A single core Athlon 64, overclocked to 2200 Hz.

The option to display what the copilot thinks I've just said was enabled by default. I could play with the speed slider (I tend to speak fast, and I find it slightly funny to have to talk slowly to the computer like it was a moron... kinda like Mr. Scott in Star Trek when he gets upset at the computer not understanding his orders)  Grin
I'll also play with the CPU slider, but in the default position there was some stuttering already in the sim, so if I give MCE even more CPU cycles it could get worse.
And I really hope I can disable the Mary voice... expecially those "relax guys while the sim loads" and "hasta la vista baby" remarks, it reminds me of a little annoying addon for the old Macintosh, the Talking Moose (I dunno if some senior citizen like myself remembers that fella).
 

Founder of A.A.A.A.A.A.A. (Aircraft Amateurs' Association Against Absurd Aviation Acronyms) My system specifications: FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2004 - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ CPU - 3 GB PC-3200 DDR400 dual channel RAM - 500 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm SATA-II hard disk - Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 1 GB PCI-E graphic card - Logitech Wingman Force 3D joystick + Logitech Formula Force pedals My FS whereabouts: low and slow, small single engine prop GA, Italy airfields.
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Reply #10 - May 21st, 2010 at 4:34pm

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Ahhhhh.. single core CPU.  My guess is that is going to be the deciding issue for you.  You might have to wait until you have at least a fast dual core.

Worth trying though.

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................john
 

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Reply #11 - May 22nd, 2010 at 4:48am

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I've done some more training and lowered the CPU usage slider to minimum, and it's beginning to work, but I still have stutters in the simulation which is particularly bad during landing.
Unfortunately, I'll have to wait.  Sad
 

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Reply #12 - May 23rd, 2010 at 6:06am

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I've found a freeware software which obviously is nothing like MCE, but can add voice recognition to any computer program, FS included, at no performance cost. It's called "shoot" and it comes with a profile editor to create profiles for any software.
Shoot works in synergy with the MS speech recognition engine (like MCE) and can map voice commands to keys, buttons or sequences.
So far I've created a minimal profile which just toggles the ATC window and chooses between the ATC options, it works like a charm, super fast and accurate.
A good choice for who, like me, cannot fully take advantage of more sophisticated solutions.
 

Founder of A.A.A.A.A.A.A. (Aircraft Amateurs' Association Against Absurd Aviation Acronyms) My system specifications: FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2004 - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ CPU - 3 GB PC-3200 DDR400 dual channel RAM - 500 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200 rpm SATA-II hard disk - Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 1 GB PCI-E graphic card - Logitech Wingman Force 3D joystick + Logitech Formula Force pedals My FS whereabouts: low and slow, small single engine prop GA, Italy airfields.
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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 8:58am

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downloaded it as well. looks really nice. I have a few problems tho.

when i start FSX w acceleration. it comes up and it says boarded x plane I have loaded. when I then start the flight I dont get any reactions at all.

and I have tried to do the mic calibration and it just makes the program freeze. I am runnin a dual core processor so I have tried to allocate the resources to cpu number 2

anyone have some troubleshooting ideas ??

John thanks for the heads up on this. if I can make it work its def the add on of the year in my book.
 

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Reply #14 - Jun 19th, 2010 at 10:51am

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KrazyJ,

I am not sure what your problem with it is.  I understand that 90% of issues come from not training the voice recognition engine well and calibrating the mike.  I also have been told that you can OVERTRAIN the recognition...and that also causes issues.

Did you download and install the correct version for your OS?

The MCE folks are VERY fast and thorough on the support stuff...... so maybe contact them directly and see if they can troubleshoot your issues for you.

Of course.... read the FAQ on the website and also the manual first  Wink.

Remember ... for the copilot you do not have to key a mike,...... you just talk to him.  Try a simple "Are you listening?"  He should respond with something like "Of course, John".  For ATC comms you DO have to set up and key a mike button.  And for ATC the language has to conform pretty colsely to real standard communications.  And for ATC you HAVE to use a clear version of your appropriate aircraft ID (United 6565..... NH345JB... and so on) or they will ignore you.

Check which functions you have active on the setup screen also.  Maybe you have a function diabled that you are trying to use?  And keep it set to the most forgiving level until you are REALLY good with it.

best,

................john
 

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