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Apr 28th, 2010 at 1:49am

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Now that EADS is going it alone, they have put up a web site like Boeing to show case there Product.


http://www.kc45now.com/index/

Videos of it in Action:

http://www.kc45now.com/media-library/video-library.asp

After seeing it flying next to F-16's and F-18's and the E-3, it does not seem all that big like Boeing keeps making it out to be, just has a massive wing span.

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Reply #1 - May 16th, 2010 at 12:24pm

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Reply #2 - May 16th, 2010 at 1:00pm

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Did the Russians drop out?
 

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Reply #3 - May 17th, 2010 at 6:23pm

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Rich H wrote on May 16th, 2010 at 1:00pm:
Did the Russians drop out?

Yeah..... kinda

That weekend that they said they were going to bid...all that changed by Monday of the following week, they claimed they never intended to bid, and no one ever said they were.

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Executives at United Aircraft Corp. of Russia denied Monday that they planned to form a joint venture with a U.S. defense contractor to bid on a contract to supply a fleet of aerial refueling tankers to the U.S. Air Force.

On Friday, John Kirkland, a Los Angeles lawyer who said he represented an unidentified U.S. defense company that was in talks with UAC to form such a venture, told The Wall Street Journal that the Russian aerospace consortium would publicly announce the deal's signing by Monday morning.

On Monday, responding to reports about the expected deal, UAC President Alexey Fedorov said in a statement on the government-owned company's Web site that UAC "is not planning to take part in the tanker tender or set up a joint venture."

Mr. Kirkland's law firm, Luce, Forward, Hamilton & Scripps LLP, said in a statement Monday that the lawyer was "engaged" a few months ago to work on a joint venture between UAC and the U.S. company. It said Mr. Kirkland had numerous conversations with UAC officials and received documentation that "stated the joint venture was approved, and that an agreement would be executed shortly."

Neither Mr. Kirkland nor his firm would identify the client company.

Mr. Kirkland provided the Journal with letters he said he sent to Mr. Fedorov and other executives at UAC on two occasions in February about forming a joint venture to pursue a bid for the tanker job.

In a copy of a letter dated Feb. 8 from Mr. Kirkland to Mr. Fedorov, the name of the client company was redacted, but Mr. Kirkland identified it as a publicly traded U.S. aerospace defense company.

Mr. Kirkland didn't provide the Journal with any letters that purported to be from UAC to himself or his client. In support of his claims about negotiating the venture, he provided a letter that appeared to be on UAC letterhead, addressed to a third-party company that Mr. Kirkland said was also going to participate in the joint venture.

Mr. Fedorov and other officials from UAC couldn't be reached for comment.

Mr. Kirkland also showed the Journal a letter dated Sunday that he said he sent to UAC seeking clarification about the status of the venture. He told the Journal he didn't receive a response.

In the letter, Mr. Kirkland named several UAC officials with whom he said he had spoken as recently as Saturday.

"They all confirmed again that the agreement would be signed this Monday morning," Mr. Kirkland wrote in the letter to UAC, which he says he emailed to officials including Mr. Fedorov and Chairman Sergey Ivanov.

Mr. Fedorov's statement appeared on the UAC Web site hours after Mr. Kirkland says he sent his email.

The episode is the latest twist in the Air Force's long-running attempt to replace its aging fleet of flying gas stations, which date back to the Eisenhower era. The service has been trying since 2002 to settle on a replacement strategy for the planes. On March 8, Northrop Grumman Corp. said it wouldn't bid on the contract to supply 79 new tankers, which could be worth up to $40 billion

Last week, European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co., Northrop's erstwhile partner on the tanker bid, said it was considering submitting a bid of its own to compete against rival Boeing Co.'s offer, provided the Pentagon would extend the bidding deadline for 90 days. As of now, bids are due May 10.

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Reply #4 - May 27th, 2010 at 2:41pm

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By Robert Wall

In a new submission to Congress, Airbus is trying to defend itself and its pending offering in the U.S. Air Force KC-X tanker competition against charges it has benefitted unfairly from illegal subsidies, and the European company argues that Chicago-based Boeing, too, has been on the receiving end of such funding.

The document is particularly aimed at addressing legislative steps to tie the World Trade Organization’s ruling on large commercial aircraft subsidies to the tanker program, as many Boeing advocates in Congress have suggested as part of their Fiscal 2011 defense lawmaking going on now. The WTO so far has provided a preliminary ruling only on the U.S. case against the Europeans, in which Airbus was found to have received illegal state aid. The European case against the U.S. is still in deliberations.

In submitting the Airbus-funded report compiled by the Hogan Lovells law firm, Airbus Americas Chairman T. Allan McArtor asserts that “Boeing is demanding that EADS be penalized in the tanker competition for any support that Airbus has received; but it ignores the full meaning of the WTO’s initial findings and the parallel WTO case against Boeing.”

Much of the document echoes longstanding Airbus assertions – now under review by the WTO – that Boeing has received illegal state aid through government research grants, as well as about state and local-level tax breaks the U.S. manufacturer has received.

But Airbus also argues that any legislative action would be premature. The aircraft maker notes that the WTO ruling can be appealed and that a ruling on the Boeing case is pending.

Credit: EADS North America

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/asd/2010/05/27/08.xml&h...





Obeying the Law and Respecting the Warfighter

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Let us be clear. EADS North America and its subsidiaries are not involved in any trade with Iran. The allegations against the company by Boeing are false. EADS scrupulously abides by the laws and regulations that govern the sale of our products – which include U.S. export control laws and the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.



Boeing is spreading what it knows is misinformation, to distract attention from their lack of a tanker.



It is this that prompted a Pentagon rebuke, via the principal spokesman for Defense Secretary Robert Gates: “We would not have welcomed EADS North America's participation in this important competition unless they were a company in good standing with the Department of Defense”.



Insofar as this issue has been brought into focus exclusively by Boeing for their own self-serving reasons, it would seem important to understand why Boeing has itself been penalized $2.4 billion by the U.S. government in this decade alone for a litany of ethical and legal violations.



However, unlike Boeing, we do not presume to instruct the Department of Defense on who should be allowed to compete for this important and sensitive contract. We will continue to talk about the one thing this competition is supposed to be about – tankers – as we have done from the beginning. When our competitors have the courage to compete on the merits of their offering, they are welcome to join us in the discussion.

KC45now.com

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Reply #5 - May 29th, 2010 at 12:23pm

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Editorial:
Boeing's salvo makes less sense than usual


By Press-Register Editorial Board
May 28, 2010, 5:49AM


EITHER BOEING is getting desperate or we missed the European Union’s declaration of war on the United States.

Those are the only two possible conclusions we can draw from Boeing Corp.’s latest pitiful attempt to manipulate the Air Force tanker contest. Boeing is now claiming that EADS would put U.S. national security at risk if the Airbus parent’s North American affiliate wins the refueling tanker contract worth potentially $40 billion.

EADS, of course, stands for European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. It is, as the name implies, based in Europe. Its ownership includes the governments of France, Spain, Great Britain and Germany.

The United States is not at war with any of these countries, let alone the European Union. Indeed, they are considered allies.

Yet Boeing tried to claim this week that if "foreign governments" disagreed with U.S. policy, they might withhold tankers and spare parts.

Using that illogic, the only safe place for U.S. defense airplane work is American-based Boeing Co. Every other country is a national security threat, and so is every foreign-based business, no matter how many jobs those businesses create for Americans.

Speaking of Americans, it seems necessary to remind Boeing that Mobile, Alabama, where the Airbus tanker would be assembled, is a member in good standing of the United States. There’s been no question about that since the Civil War.

It’s true that Chicago, where Boeing is headquartered, and Everett, Wash., where it does most of its airplane manufacturing, are both a long way from Mobile. But there are maps.

Boeing is willing to slur its opponent and obfuscate the facts in order to divert attention from whether it can build a better tanker than EADS/Airbus. But the national security argument is pretty weak, even for Boeing.

As for its ridiculous allegation that EADS does business with Iran, that appears to refer to an EADS trip to an air show in Iran five years ago. The U.S. Department of Defense, which is sensitive about this sort of thing, says EADS North America is in good standing.

There’s only one possible conclusion: Boeing is getting desperate.

http://blog.al.com/press-register-commentary/2010/05/post_164.html
 

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Reply #6 - Jul 8th, 2010 at 10:09pm

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EADS chief hopes to win tanker


By EMMA VANDORE (AP) – 5 days ago

AIX-EN-PROVENCE — The head of Airbus parent company EADS NV said Saturday that he hopes to win a $35 billion Pentagon tanker project despite a WTO ruling that European governments gave Airbus illegal subsidies.

In a first key ruling on a long-running dispute between the European Union and Washington, the World Trade Organization ruled Wednesday that there was some wrongdoing by Europe, but interpreting the decision wasn't easy.

Both sides claimed victory, and said the other's claims were misleading.

EADS CEO Louis Gallois told reporters at the Rencontres Economiques conference in southern France that 70 percent of Boeing's claims were rejected and the European Commission will probably appeal on the points they lost.

Crucially, he said that the WTO ruling found that low-interest government loans — commonly called "launch aid"_ to develop the A330-200 plane on which the tanker is based are legal.

Boeing claimed the ruling said launch aid for every Airbus program was illegal and damaging.

"I think the nervousness which Boeing is showing in this affair and the propaganda campaign they have been waging in the last few days is because they are afraid that we will have a competitive offer on the tanker," Gallois said.

"They know we have a better plane.... and they are worried that we will be cheaper than them."

Bids for a contract for 179 tankers are expected from EADS' North American unit and Boeing Co by July 9.

Boeing Chairman and CEO Jim McNerney said in June that it's possible his company will be underbid.

Gallois said that more than 200 American companies will work with EADS if they win, but he declined to name them.

EADS was originally awarded the contract with American partner Northrop Grumman, but it was overturned on appeal. Northrop then withdrew from the competition saying the Pentagon's guidelines favor Boeing.

Gallois said he is confident that the Pentagon will follow rules of fair competition.

"My hope is to win," he said. "We have confidence in the U.S. to follow their own rules and until now we have nothing to complain about. I don't think that I need to work under the hypothesis that there will be political pressure."

The Pentagon has tried and failed twice to award a contract to replace its Eisenhower-era fleet of tankers that refuel military planes in flight.

The last attempt in early 2008 was overturned on appeal after a political outcry in Washington.

The 2004 award to Boeing was undone by an ethics scandal that resulted in prison terms for a former company executive and a former high-ranking Air Force official.

Gallois also said the WTO is due to make an initial ruling on a countersuit alleging illegal U.S. support for Boeing on July 16.

He said that last week's ruling will not change Airbus' funding plans for the A350 program, midsize, long-haul plane that aims to compete with Boeing's 787.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hecKJ681MWkzrg1fDeNU5WWtcckgD9...




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EADS CEO Slams Boeing "Propaganda," and Sees WTO Appeal


By Matthias Blamont and Lionel Laurent
July 3, 2010 

AIX-EN-PROVENCE, France (Reuters) - EADS  Chief Executive Louis Gallois on Saturday slammed arch-rival Boeing's "propaganda campaign" over a World Trade Organization panel ruling and said it was a sign of fear ahead of a decision on a hotly contested U.S. aerial tanker contract.

Gallois also said it was "likely" that the European Union would appeal against Wednesday's WTO panel ruling, which was critical of EU export subsidies to EADS-owned Airbus.

"(Boeing's) propaganda campaign over the past three or four days shows they are scared that we will have a competitive offer for the tankers," Gallois told reporters on the sidelines of a conference in Aix-en-Provence.

EADS and Boeing are locked in a fierce battle for a contract of 179 refueling planes to replace the aging U.S. fleet of Boeing-built KC-135 tankers, which are nearly 50 years old on average.

U.S. lawmakers backing Boeing have called for the tanker competition to factor in the WTO ruling, which said EU export subsidies to Airbus had hurt Boeing and must be scrapped.

But Gallois said that 70 percent of Boeing's complaints had been rejected by the WTO and that Boeing had not proved that export subsidies to Airbus had directly affected its competitiveness or employees.

He also noted there was a second WTO panel ruling due on July 16 on a countersuit by the EU over U.S. support for Boeing.

"It seems likely to me that (the EU) will appeal (the first ruling)," Gallois said.

EADS will submit its tanker offer either on Thursday or Friday, in partnership with U.S. firms where sensitive defense equipment is concerned, he said.

A350 FEARS

Gallois also sought to scotch press speculation that the WTO panel ruling was pushing EADS to review EU launch aid for its Airbus unit's A350 airliner.

"I do not expect changes to the conditions (of launch aid)," he said, reaffirming that government loans for the A350 XWB program were not contrary to WTO rules and that the financing of the A350 program was legal in the WTO's view.

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Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 11:06am

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One of the things Boeing keeps slinging out there is that their product is built in America, but the Airbus isn't.  I would like to see what percentage of the Boeing is actually produced in America, because I know their commercial fleet is substantially built overseas, then shipped to Washington for finally assembly (part of the problem they have had with the 787). 

This fight is turning into exactly the kind of reason I hate politics.  Instead of telling what what is good about you or your product, and why I should pick your product over another, all I hear is the negative about your opponent.  Look at Airbuses campaign (which I am no Airbus fan by a long way), they continue to point at the strength of their own product, at its capability, and its proven track record.  All Boeing has is promises, and mud to sling at Airbus.  Makes me sick.  While I don't want to see anymore jobs leave the country that we have to, I do think our boys in the military should get the most capable product, and the one they think will allow them to complete the mission and bring them home.
 
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Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 12:30pm

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Shame about the russians...I was looking forward to seeing a two-engined An124 try to get off the ground fully loaded Tongue

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Reply #9 - Jul 9th, 2010 at 4:19pm

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EADS KC-X Bid In, Tanker Rhetoric Heats Up


Jul 9, 2010




By Amy Butler

EADS North America is confident its Airbus A330-200-based KC-X proposal will win the long-running U.S. Air Force competition, but Ralph Crosby, chairman of the company’s board, says some statements about the highly charged duel from supporters of its competitor, Boeing, amount to a “bunch of crap.”

The company is submitting an 8,819-page, 17-volume proposal to replace 179 KC-135 tankers; bids are due July 9. EADS’s design is based largely on the configuration in development for the Royal Australian Air Force. Boeing is proposing a 767-based option, but it is deviating from the design made for Japan and Italy, and no known prototype exists.

The Air Force is expected to announce a winner of the procurement, worth about $35 billion, on Nov. 12. Crosby and other EADS executives announced their proposal submission during a July 8 roundtable with reporters.

Leading up to the proposal submissions, both companies have been locked in a public volley of discourse. Boeing supporters argue that a World Trade Organization (WTO) finding that Airbus received illegal subsidies to develop its commercial aircraft should be taken into consideration in the source selection. Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) is among a group of lawmakers proposing legislation that would call for the Pentagon to penalize the EADS offering because of the subsidies. He says that a $5 million per airplane penalty should be added to the EADS proposal price.

Pentagon officials say WTO rules prevent them from inflicting penalties, and any suggestion to the contrary is “patently inaccurate,” according to Allan McArtor, chairman of Airbus Americas. “I’d like to think of another word for B.S.” He adds that the $5 billion figure cited by Tiahrt and other lawmakers for launch aid is a “mythical number.”

The WTO announced its dispute resolution panel will delay until September issuing its findings on the case of the European Union against the United States that alleges Boeing received unfair subsidies from Washington. McArtor said the delay decision “stinks like last week’s fish,” and questioned whether the U.S. Trade Representative pressured the WTO for the shift to allow Boeing’s debut of the 787 at this month’s Farnborough Air Show to occur unfettered by news of the case.

EADS is opening up a new KC-X program management operation in Mobile, Ala., on Monday, July 12, to handle discussions with the Air Force following proposal submission, says Sean O’Keefe, chief executive officer for EADS North America. “We intend to proceed starting now as if we are going to win,” he says. Mobile was selected as the stateside site for A330-200 tanker and freighter final assembly when the company won the last KC-X competition in 2008, that time under the leadership of then prime contractor Northrop Grumman. That win was nullified after a Boeing protest turned up procurement missteps by the U.S. Air Force, and Northrop Grumman walked away as prime for the bid this spring. EADS announced in April it would proceed with its own prime contractor proposal.

O’Keefe says the first three of four development aircraft for the KC-X program would be built in Toulouse, France, with military modifications done in Spain at an Airbus Military facility. The fourth development aircraft would roll off the A330 line in Toulouse but be modified with mission systems in Mobile. Company officials declined to say when the first aircraft fully assembled and modified in America would be delivered from the Mobile line.

Crosby says that the establishment of the facility in Mobile would be an “economic magnet” for local economies struggling after the effects of the BP Gulf of Mexico oil spill wiped out tourism dollars for the summer season.

This, however, is not a factor in the Air Force’s source selection process. Each bidder must meet 372 mandatory requirements to qualify, and the winner will be chosen largely on low price. Price will be a tough point for the team because the Airbus model is bigger and heavier than its Boeing rival. “I feel good about the intersection of value and price,” Crosby says.

California-based U.S. Aerospace has filed papers with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission that indicate it will lead as prime contractor bids offering three Antonov models for the competition. This, however, is being viewed by KC-X competitors with skepticism (Aerospace DAILY, July 6).

The Pentagon says it is sticking to its 2 p.m. July 9 deadline for competitors to submit their KC-X proposals, despite the potential U.S. Aerospace bid. “The Department has received a request for information from U.S. Aerospace concerning the Air Force KC-X tanker replacement program RFP,” Pentagon spokeswoman Cheryl Irwin says. “We have consistently supported competition for the tanker program. The Department is committed to conducting a fair, open and transparent acquisition process. We also believe that any company that is interested and qualified to participate in this important program should do so.”

Boeing plans to turn in its offer July 9.

Credit: EADS North America

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Reply #10 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 2:49pm

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EADS-NA CEO, Ex-Senator On Crashed Aircraft

Aug 10, 2010

By Amy Butler abutler@aviationweek.com, Jennifer Michels jennifer_michels@aviationweek.com
WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON

EADS North America CEO Sean O’Keefe was among several guests traveling with former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) on a private aircraft that crashed near Dillingham, Alaska, last night, according to an EADS official. O’Keefe’s son was thought to be on board as well.

CNN is reporting that five of the nine people onboard died, but it is unknown whether Stevens or O’Keefe are among the survivors. The whereabouts of the others are unknown.

The NTSB has sent a Go Team to investigate, and says the crash of the DeHavilland DHC-3T (N455A) occurred at about 8 p.m. Alaska Daylight Time. Senior Air Safety Investigator Clint Johnson from the Anchorage regional office will serve as investigator-in-charge. News reports indicate that several people on the ground were already at the site when emergency personnel arrived. It crashed about 10 miles northwest of Aleknagik.

Apparently, there was inclement weather around the time of the crash. Bad weather also has been hampering rescue efforts, although some medical personnel made it to the crash site.

O’Keefe is the point person for one of EADS’s biggest military campaigns. The North America wing of the company is again locked in competition against Boeing for the $35 billion KC-X tanker competition. The winner will build 179 refuelers for the U.S. Air Force to replace KC-135s.

Ralph Crosby and David Oliver, chairman of the board and chief operating officer, respectively, are stepping in for the time being to manage issues at the company. EADS North America spokesman Guy Hicks declined to comment on a succession plan should O’Keefe have died in the crash.

Stevens chaired the Senate Appropriations Committee from 1997-2005, and also served as ranking member of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2010/08/10/awx_08_1...

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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2010 at 11:53am

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Oct 6, 2010
By Guy Norris

LOS ANGELES — Aerospace workers as well as city and state officials rallied Oct. 5 in Southern California as part of nationwide moves by EADS North America aimed at showcasing the proposed KC-45 tanker for the U.S. Air Force contest — and the jobs they say it will support across the country.

The rally, one of several orchestrated in a parallel operation countering a similar series of meetings held by competitor Boeing, was hosted in Irvine by Parker Aerospace. Parker would be a major supplier on both the KC-45 and Boeing’s proposed KC-767 program.

Parker was part of the original team with EADS and Northrop Grumman on the previous Airbus A330-200 multi-role tanker transport proposal, and under the succeeding KC-45 bid is set to provide flight controls; hydraulic, fuel and engine components and systems; and aerial refueling equipment.

Parker, which expected to have several hundred employees at the rally, says the KC-45 would support more than 1,900 workers at three facilities in California, plus 975 at first-tier suppliers throughout the state. The EADS tanker work also would support around 2,700 jobs tied to other Parker Aerospace products at suppliers and production sites in Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio, Texas and Utah, it adds. The total economic impact is estimated at more than $500 million, of which $328 million would be associated with Parker’s KC-45-related spending in California alone.

The rally comes amid continuing claims and counterclaims by the competing teams at tanker events. Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Jim Albaugh told a rally in Everett, Wash., last week that its KC-767 would be able to operate from twice as many airfields as the KC-45. Washington Rep. Norm Dicks (D), a powerful appropriator, noted fuel savings over the A330 derivative would total $25-30 billion over 40 years.

EADS, releasing details of internal studies through aerospace analysts Leeham and Co., says that based on requirements and criteria in the USAF request for proposals, the KC-45 would actually use 3% less fuel per gallon delivered on refueling missions than the KC-767 on 500-nm. trips, and 31% less on 2,500-nm. missions. Using USAF criteria, EADS says on a 2,500-nm. mission with 250 sorties, the KC-45 would save $25.8 million in one day alone, based on assumed Defense Department fuel-per-gallon pricing.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/asd/2010/10/06/05.xml&h...


I only posted the rally stuff becuase of the fuel part at the end:
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Washington Rep. Norm Dicks (D), a powerful appropriator, noted fuel savings over the A330 derivative would total $25-30 billion over 40 years.


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EADS, releasing details of internal studies through aerospace analysts Leeham and Co., says that based on requirements and criteria in the USAF request for proposals, the KC-45 would actually use 3% less fuel per gallon delivered on refueling missions than the KC-767 on 500-nm. trips, and 31% less on 2,500-nm. missions.
Using USAF criteria
, EADS says on a 2,500-nm. mission with 250 sorties, the KC-45 would save $25.8 million in one day alone, based on assumed Defense Department fuel-per-gallon pricing.
 

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Additional Fuel May Pay Off In Tanker Competition


Oct 19, 2010

By David A. Fulghum davef@aviationweek.com
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The U.S. Air Force tanker aircraft fleet is going to shrink significantly, well-connected observers say, but exactly how much they do not know.

The details are, roughly, that the first group of 179 new KC-Xs will not be reinforced with KC-Y and KC-Z for 15-20 years and the larger KC-10 replacement will not show up for 30 years, says the former commander of the 12th Air Force and a key Washington-based airpower analyst in a briefing for reporters Oct. 19

In the near-term tanker competition for KC-X, time on station and total fuel carriage will likely be the key determinant between Boeing’s 767 or EADS’s A330 tanker designs, says retired Lt. Gen. Norm Seip and Rebecca Grant, author of a new white paper, “Nine Secrets of the Tanker War.”

While a new tanker is the No. 1 acquisition requirement for the Air Force, a declining defense budget will delay the KC-Y, KC-Z and KC-10 follow-on for decades, Seip says. While the Air Force’s longtime desire for additional aircraft — instead of much greater fuel carriage — is not dead, it has been overtaken by events in the last decade, including the need to operate at ranges of 1,000 nm. from the nearest 7,000-ft. runway, particularly during missions over the Pacific and Asia.

“KC-X is it,” the former three star says.

The Air Force is looking for more fuel offload compared to the smaller KC-135 tanker, but less than that carried by the larger KC-10, according to Grant. “The extra fuel on station [at long range] pays off” in the studies dealing with future warfare, she says. Operational burdens in future conflicts may be less because there will be fewer manned tactical aircraft to refuel, another result of tightening defense budgets. But they may be increased again by the need to service unmanned surveillance and strike aircraft from both the Navy and Air Force.

Indeed, declining defense spending power will require the accelerated retirement of as many of the KC-135s as possible, with the aircraft built from 1962-1965 to stay in service the longest, they say. They will be supported by the 179 KC-Xs and 60-plus KC-10s. Both analysts hesitated to say the fleet would slip to as few as 400 tankers, but they agreed that the force would be smaller than has been planned.

Plans to use the new tanker airframe to replace other Boeing 707-based aircraft like the 55th wing’s specialized intelligence gathering RC-135s, the E-3 Awacs air surveillance and the E-8 JStars ground surveillance aircraft will have to wait for follow-on buys of tanker aircraft to fit in replacements.

“It won’t be in this [first] iteration of aircraft,” Grant says.

In addition, any work to add sensors to the tankers also will have to wait, she says. However, the extra time on station will make the joint surveillance and tanker mission more likely to be a success, Grant says. Moreover, the new tankers are designed with more electrical power, additional cooling and upgraded electronics to accommodate add-on sensors and make the tankers into information nodes.

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By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON | Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:40am EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Senate Armed Services Committee will hold hearings next month into an Air Force document bungle roiling a transAtlantic rematch for a potential $50 billion aerial-refueling plane contract.

Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin said Wednesday he was prepared to launch an investigation into "the release of proprietary data" from rival tanker bidders Boeing Co and Europe's EADS.

At issue is what the Air Force calls "a clerical error" that sent Boeing and EADS computerized records in November with sensitive data on each other's bid for the contract.

"I also intend to hold one or more hearings by February 1 to consider these issues and to review the propriety of the procurement process of the KC-X tanker competition as it relates to this issue," said Levin, a Michigan Democrat.

KC-X is the codename for the Air Force's plan to buy 179 tankers to start replacing its 50-year-old Boeing KC-135 refueling fleet, a deal worth up to $50 billion.

The current contest marks the Air Force's third try to buy new tankers, which are used to refuel fighters and other planes in mid-air. The mixup could lead to a fourth round, for instance if it spurred a successful protest by the loser.

Levin was responding to a push for hearings from Senator Maria Cantwell, a Democrat from Washington state, where Boeing would manufacture tankers based on its 767 wide-bodied jetliner if it won the deal.

Chicago-based Boeing welcomed the planned spotlight on the issue.

"We're prepared to answer any questions from the Senate Armed Services Committee, in hearings or otherwise, that may result from the commitment Senator Cantwell received from Senator Levin to examine the recent release of our proprietary information to EADS/Airbus," said Dan Beck, a Boeing spokesman.

EADS, Airbus's corporate parent, was deferring comment to the Air Force, said James Darcy, a spokesman for EADS' North American arm.

The Air Force had no immediate comment.

Beck in an email said Boeing remained concerned about "the implications of the release of our proprietary information and we feel some unresolved questions remain."

"Until we're satisfied we have a complete picture, we're keeping our options open for how we go forward," he said.

The Air Force disclosed on November 19 that it had inadvertently provided the bidders "a limited amount" of each other's confidential information. It said at the same time it was delaying the awarding of a contract until early next year, from this fall, because evaluating the competition was taking longer than had been expected.

A tanker contract would give EADS, headquartered in Paris and Munich, an important beachhead in the United States, the world's most lucrative arms market.

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(MOBILE, Ala.) Senator Jeff Session Tuesday accepted an award from the city of Mobile for his efforts to secure a littoral combat ship contract for Austal. The contract would mean thousands of jobs for the area.

"This represents a fabulous new addition to our community and at this blessed season it's just good to celebrate," Sessions said.

But for Sessions, it's one down, another huge contract left to go. That one, the $40 billion tanker competition between EADS and Boeing, keeps delivering controversy. The Senate Armed Services Committee plans to hold a hearing in January on the fairness of the competition. This comes after EADS and Boeing were accidentally sent confidential information about the other's bids.

What could these hearings mean for the competition? "I don't think the hearings, going into subsidies, allegations of subsidies will make any difference. They should not at least," said Sessions. "The (Air Force) has clearly stated that they are in compliance with the law."

Sessions also said time may be on their side.

"We're in the last few weeks of the award being offered and selected. The (Air Force), I don't think would change their course at this point," he added.

But as the hearings draw closer, Sessions won't deny there's a bit of worry. "No doubt, it's a matter of concern for us."
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