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Apr 6^th, 2010 at 12:19am

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I am unsure if this is a FS issue, hardware (Saitek X52 Pro issue, Windows 7 issue, or something else, so if it needs to be moved, by all means.

When I went to bed, everything was fine. When I got up, the sensitivity and range of movement on the rudder appeared to have had a visit from Murphy; as in Murphy's Law. I have had the auto rudder turned off ever since I got the Saitek and it has worked great. Now, the slightest movement cause the rudder to swing full tilt. Even setting it back on auto rudder only helped a little. When you are in taxi mode, it will send you in every direction but the one you want. I changed the sensitivity settings to their lowest point. I even tried changing the rudder effectiveness under [flight tuning] to a .2. All to no avail. I tried it with different aircraft, X52 profile on/off, and even in FSX demo. It has to be something to do with the Saitek or my computer settings. But in the Saitek control panel, the test shows the 'z' axis (rudder) working as it should. I calibrated, fabricated, and homogenized. And yes, I searched the FAQs and forum on Saitek's site. This is so bad, it is almost impossible to fly any aircraft. All help greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Reply #1 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:05am

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A puzzler... but it's always worth it to try the simplest thing: delete the FS9 CFG file. I've found that works for strange control-surface issues, sometimes.
You probably tried that already, so the next thing would be to uninstall any software for your stick, and start over with that. A pain, but not as bad as doing the same with FS9!

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Reply #2 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:11am

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Hi patchz,

It sounds like it's not working as a proportional control, I can't remember without checking if joystick axis have a repeat function like the buttons do.

Can the X52 rudder switch modes? ie proportional or ON/OFF

Check your config for the joystick, reversed fucntion like you may do for heli use? so the slightest movement of rudder is giving you full rudder, have you tried turning the rudder to full deflection to see if it gives you either little rudder movemen or none at all?

Backup your fs9.cfg file somewhere, even simply rename it, restart fs9 and the fs9.cfg will be rebuilt but you will have lost your button config within fs9 but axis maybe back to default.

I do have a utility for checking joystick outside of the control panel/game controller setup if you'd like it, it was from Logitech

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Reply #3 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 9:35am

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Larry
For some reason, when I first got mine, it was doing something like that. Just for laughs, make sure the big and smaller wheels (with the ~~blue~~ green buttons) on the throttle are centered - you'll feel a little detent when they are.

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Reply #4 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:21pm

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beaky wrote on Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:05am:

A puzzler... but it's always worth it to try the simplest thing: delete the FS9 CFG file. I've found that works for strange control-surface issues, sometimes.
You probably tried that already, so the next thing would be to uninstall any software for your stick, and start over with that. A pain, but not as bad as doing the same with FS9!

No, have not tried deletion of the FS9.cfg yet. I am so sick of reprogramming stuff right now, I want to wait until that is the last option. I have uninstalled and reinstalled the stick software, twice. And since the last time, the reprogrammed profile does not work. Hence the sick of reprogramming statement. I have reduced sensitivity to zero. Right now, I can't even remember what all I have tried. I think I need to take a break from it.

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Almost forgot. Since it behaves exactly the same in the FSX demo, I don't think deleting the FS9.cfg will help.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #5 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:22pm

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EVVFCX wrote on Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:11am:

Hi patchz,

It sounds like it's not working as a proportional control, I can't remember without checking if joystick axis have a repeat function like the buttons do.

Can the X52 rudder switch modes? ie proportional or ON/OFF

Check your config for the joystick, reversed fucntion like you may do for heli use? so the slightest movement of rudder is giving you full rudder, have you tried turning the rudder to full deflection to see if it gives you either little rudder movemen or none at all?

Backup your fs9.cfg file somewhere, even simply rename it, restart fs9 and the fs9.cfg will be rebuilt but you will have lost your button config within fs9 but axis maybe back to default.

I do have a utility for checking joystick outside of the control panel/game controller setup if you'd like it, it was from Logitech

regards
Steve

So far, I am unable to find anything that would allow me to change the proportional control of the stick. It worked before, but something has changed and I can't figure out what caused the change.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #6 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:23pm

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olderndirt wrote on Apr 6^th, 2010 at 9:35am:

Larry
For some reason, when I first got mine, it was doing something like that. Just for laughs, make sure the big and smaller wheels (with the ~~blue~~ green buttons) on the throttle are centered - you'll feel a little detent when they are.

Checked that. Though I can't feel a detent, I did look at the X52 control panel to make sure all were centered.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #7 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:44pm

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Two possibilities I could offer.
My Saitec stick needs to to be turned on in the menu at the bottom of the screen and switch to the profile you set up for fs9. ( I have 4 different profiles for sims. )
Unplug it and retry, if its USB, try a different port.. ?

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Reply #8 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:50pm

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Steve M wrote on Apr 6^th, 2010 at 8:44pm:

Two possibilities I could offer.
My Saitec stick needs to to be turned on in the menu at the bottom of the screen and switch to the profile you set up for fs9. ( I have 4 different profiles for sims. )
Unplug it and retry, if its USB, try a different port.. ?

Thanks Steve. As far as I can tell, turning the profile on and off, opening the control panel, etc. from the hidden icons works fine. But the last time I reinstalled the software and set up the profile again, it did not work. I am beginning to think the software version is the problem: SST Profile Editor version 6.6.6.2.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #9 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 11:49pm

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just a thought, do you think that rolling back the SST Software would help the issue? I have the X52 (non pro) (winxp), but I have 2 O.E.M. disks, and a copy that I made of the O.E.M. 1 OEM came with my X52, the other I ordered as a replacement because i lost the original (then i found it).

I could try to figure out a way to package the info, email it, you burn it to a disk then install it ... that is if you would like.

OR, i could just get a bubble mailer envelope and 'snail mail' it to you. Your choice if you cant think of anything else.

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Reply #10 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 2:44am

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Capt.Propwash wrote on Apr 6^th, 2010 at 11:49pm:

just a thought, do you think that rolling back the SST Software would help the issue? I have the X52 (non pro) (winxp), but I have 2 O.E.M. disks, and a copy that I made of the O.E.M. 1 OEM came with my X52, the other I ordered as a replacement because i lost the original (then i found it).

I could try to figure out a way to package the info, email it, you burn it to a disk then install it ... that is if you would like.

OR, i could just get a bubble mailer envelope and 'snail mail' it to you. Your choice if you cant think of anything else.

I appreciate the offer, but I have rolled back the driver, uninstalled the newest software and reinstalled what came on the disk. The original profile editor stopped working, so I uninstalled it and reinstalled the newer downloaded version. This time the software actually worked right where I could program everything, but the rudder problem persists. I think it may be a problem with the hardware. For the time being, I am flying with autorudder on.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #11 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 3:25am

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patchz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 2:44am:

I think it may be a problem with the hardware. For the time being, I am flying with autorudder on.

I hesitate to suggest this but I suppose you've checked the connections?

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Reply #12 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 4:12am

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Hagar wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 3:25am:

patchz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 2:44am:

I think it may be a problem with the hardware. For the time being, I am flying with autorudder on.

I hesitate to suggest this but I suppose you've checked the connections?

Grin

Don't feel bad about the suggestion, you never know. But it was one of the first things I checked.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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Reply #13 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 4:26am

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patchz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 4:12am:

Hagar wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 3:25am:

patchz wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 2:44am:

I think it may be a problem with the hardware. For the time being, I am flying with autorudder on.

I hesitate to suggest this but I suppose you've checked the connections?

Grin

Don't feel bad about the suggestion, you never know. But it was one of the first things I checked.

I had to suggest it. Simply unplugging & reconnecting hardware has been known to do the trick. You might be surprised at how many people look for complex solutions & overlook the simple things. Wink

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Reply #14 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 8:16am

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Hi patchz,

I'll get that utility to you somehow, it looks at the raw data from the joystick and what the registry is 'seeing' for your joystick values.

You can also use the utilty to modify the joystick response curve, rather than linear response you can change it to exponential curve if you want to.

It maybe Friday before I can message You about it.

Steve

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So far my number of landings either passenger or pilot equal my number of takeoffs, but that is due to change

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Reply #15 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 10:24pm

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EVVFCX wrote on Apr 7^th, 2010 at 8:16am:

Hi patchz,

I'll get that utility to you somehow, it looks at the raw data from the joystick and what the registry is 'seeing' for your joystick values.

You can also use the utilty to modify the joystick response curve, rather than linear response you can change it to exponential curve if you want to.

It maybe Friday before I can message You about it.

Steve

Thanks Steve.

But it may be a waste of your time. Linear response? Exponential curve? Sounds a bit over my head.

If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.

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