Simviation Forum - Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Reply #15 - Mar 29^th, 2010 at 7:02am

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ozzy72 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2010 at 11:07am:

Beautiful planes Cool

Now to go killing Smiley

Ja ja, ve ist mit der Schrage Musik mod and und macht mit commiten der morder.

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Reply #16 - Mar 29^th, 2010 at 7:05am

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Tango_Romeo wrote on Mar 28^th, 2010 at 10:49am:

Tango_Romeo wrote on Mar 27^th, 2010 at 1:14pm:

Apparently something went wrong with the upload last night, so I've reloaded the Scharge Musik conversion kit this morning...maybe it'll make it to the download que by tomorrow. I had to try twice to get the system to accept it this morning. LOL Undecided

The Kit download made it to the que this time around. Third time's the charm and all that.

I got the mod almost as soon as it popped up Tom. I've flown all the 219s extent, and it was certainly not a dogfighter. They don;t like the new joystick, I'm gonna go back to the Saitek for 219s. Cool mod too, thanks.

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Reply #17 - Mar 29^th, 2010 at 12:26pm

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SopwithC abandoned both his airbrush and his Stratocaster long enough to test out the Kit, and it seems to work pretty well from the looks of his screenie...you can just see the muzzleflash of the 30mm over the aft fuselage. Cool

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Reply #18 - Mar 29^th, 2010 at 5:39pm

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The following is the content of the old Gryphon Aviation page describing how to use their CFS1 SM gunsight. I have no idea whether it will work this way in CFS2, or if we just have to stick with the forward_up view system...but you may want to experiment a bit..... Roll Eyes

The Schrage Musik Gunsight

"Schrage Musik" ("Slanted Music, or "Jazz") is the term used for a gun configuration used in Luftwaffe night fighters in the Second World War. First experimented with in 1941, the use of cannon angled to fire upwards between 60 and 80 degrees became standard equipment on most two engined night fighters by the end of 1943. This enabled the Luftwaffe pilots to fly below the RAF bombers (who had no armament--or even a window--to observe below!) and fire up into their unprotected underside. In fact, the greatest danger to a fighter using Schrage Musik was often getting out of the way of the stricken target as it fell to earth!

The Schrage Musik in the He219 were usually two MK108 30 mm cannon with 100 rpg angled upwards at 65 degrees. The upward firing cannon are on the secondary armament firing keys "2" on the keyboard or as you choose to program them on your joystick.

The Sight in CFS1

To replicate the Schrage Musik gun sight, you have three options:

* Standard Padlock
* Standard gunsight in a new window
* Padlock ladder sight in a new window

Standard Padlock

When you lock on to a target ("Tab" key) and you are in the proper position to fire from below it, hit the "~" key and the sight will come into view. It is a "ladder" type with a middle cross hair for the firing position. If the legs of the ladder are to starboard, you are approaching the target. If the legs are to port you have passed the target and must slow down or come around for another attempted shot.

NOTE: The ladder site responds opposite to the direction you turn the airplane. If you bank right, it will swing left and vice versa. This is due to the function of the padlock maintaining track on the target but showing the relationship to your airplane. It can be confusing on the first few attempts and has the added disadvantage of putting the bright yellow brackets around your target. If you’re trying for realism, you’ll want to avoid using padlock.

Standard gunsight in a new window

1. Set this sight up by opening a new window (using the "[" key on the keyboard).

2. To set the upward angle click the "Enter" and "Backspace" keys at the same time (fifteen clicks or so, depending on your computer). The sight will initially appear as a small green + mark (you may need to Right Click with the mouse over this window and select "Virtual Cockpit" so see the green + mark).

3. Clicking outside the new window will bring up the normal gun sight in this window (if it doesn’t appear, you may need to Right Click with the mouse and select "Cockpit View."

Use "enter and backspace" simultaneously and click 15 times to set the sight angle for the upward guns.

Padlock ladder sight in a new window

After you have locked on to a target, open a new window with the "[" key. Once you’ve encountered the enemy, click on "Tab" and then padlock "~" and now the ladder sight will appear in that window when you are in the proper position to fire. This method allows you to maintain aircraft attitude (difficult for some in padlock view) and still see the ladder sight and the target.

NOTE: The ladder site responds opposite to the direction you turn the airplane. If you bank right, it will swing left and vice versa. This is due to the function of the padlock maintaining track on the target but showing the relationship to your airplane. It can be confusing on the first few attempts.

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Reply #19 - Apr 5^th, 2010 at 2:38am

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Tango_Romeo wrote on Mar 29^th, 2010 at 12:26pm:

SopwithC abandoned both his airbrush and his Stratocaster long enough to test out the Kit, and it seems to work pretty well from the looks of his screenie...you can just see the muzzleflash of the 30mm over the aft fuselage. Cool

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That's the view I like best TR.

I'd love to jam with SC sometime. I been playing 45 years now, everything from Electric Prunes to Slipknot. I can play Van Halen, I do not like Van Halen. I got a Peavey Strat for now, and an Epiphone Flying V in layaway. I'd going to be contacting Ed Roman in Vegas about his copies of the old Vox Teardrops.

I do night intercepts in a 219 while listening to Ozzy and Hendrix.

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Reply #20 - Apr 5^th, 2010 at 1:07pm

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Man, you guys are way ahead of me....I'm still pickin' on the Gibson Les Paul I bought used for $125 in 1958. Grin

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Reply #21 - Apr 6^th, 2010 at 4:33pm

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Bonesimoto wrote on Apr 5^th, 2010 at 2:38am:

Tango_Romeo wrote on Mar 29^th, 2010 at 12:26pm:

SopwithC abandoned both his airbrush and his Stratocaster long enough to test out the Kit, and it seems to work pretty well from the looks of his screenie...you can just see the muzzleflash of the 30mm over the aft fuselage. Cool

That'stheviewIlikebestTR.I'dlovetojamwithSCsometime.Ibeenplaying45yearsnow,everythingfromElectricPrunestoSlipknot.IcanplayVanHalen,IdonotlikeVanHalen.IgotaPeaveyStratfornow,andanEpiphoneFlyingVinlayaway.I'dgoingtobecontactingEdRomaninVegasabouthiscopiesoftheoldVoxTeardrops.Idonightinterceptsina219whilelisteningtoOzzyandHendrix.Bones

........wellI'dreallyliketodothatsometime-butnotVanHalen(toomanynotesDearBoy,toomanynotes......... Shocked

)IgigmostlywithmytrustyStrat,butIjustgotmeaHofnerVerithin(youhavetobefromthissideofthePondtoknowwhatthatmeans)-takesmerightbacktothe'60'swhereIstarttedandIgottosaythatitsthesweetestthingIeverpickedon..............butI'dkillfora'58LesPaul(Letssee,$125,thatwouldhavebeen£31:'()........Here'smyHeros:[img]http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/22262431CA320A11E68436AC1818E.jpg

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Reply #22 - Apr 7^th, 2010 at 12:00pm

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"........but I'd kill for a '58 Les Paul ( Lets see, $125, that would have been £31."

Let's see....I do know a couple of people who.... Grin

I did have to get the neck straightened after I left her with a friend while I was away in the service....and he stored her without taking the tension off the original round-wounds I earned my callouses with. Cry

........Here's my Heros:

And here I thought I was the only one around here old enough to have tangled with Peggy Sue, the Crickets, Mabelene and Hot Rod Lincoln. Huh

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