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Mar 8th, 2010 at 11:31am

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Can a person use an electric motor from a golf cart, car, or motorcycle to power an airplane? I think its possible, but wouldn't know what brand of motor to get. Just trying some old fashion barnstorming.  Smiley
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 11:43am

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OldReliable wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 11:31am:
Can a person use an electric motor from a golf cart, car, or motorcycle to power an airplane? I think its possible, but wouldn't know what brand of motor to get. Just trying some old fashion barnstorming.  Smiley


Battery weight would be the issue. Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 11:57am

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Definitely, the weight of Batteries necessary to power the electric motor!.... Shocked...!

The same problem has always occurred in the past, in electric driven Motor Vehicles.

Too much weight!....too little distance!... Cry...!

...not to mention the enormous cost of the Batteries!

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Reply #3 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 12:18pm

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I'm not sure about an airplane... but what about one of those powered glider things... those are pretty light as is, and all you need is the motor to get up there really... but I have no idea, I've never flown an actual powered glider, or a glider, I could be wrong, haha
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 12:28pm

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You guys are thinking about this wrong.

Battery weight is not an issue.

All you need is a really long extension cord.

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Reply #5 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 1:10pm

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JoBee wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
You guys are thinking about this wrong.

Battery weight is not an issue.

All you need is a really long extension cord.

cheers,
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A 52,000 foot cord should suffice. Shocked Grin
 

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Reply #6 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 1:33pm

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ApplePie wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 1:10pm:
JoBee wrote on Mar 8th, 2010 at 12:28pm:
You guys are thinking about this wrong.

Battery weight is not an issue.

All you need is a really long extension cord.

cheers,
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A 52,000 foot cord should suffice. Shocked Grin


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Reply #7 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 3:25pm

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There are actually a few different companies attempting to market a fully electric aircraft.  Granted they are using golf cart motors.  I'll have to find the article I was reading about one.
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 8:35pm

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Good evening all... Smiley

Just a thought but if submarines could operate on battery power for a good lenght of time then why not large aircraft?

There are many devices which could also charge the batteries while in the air such as a R.A.T. "Ram Air Turbine".
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/electronics/q0044c.shtml
 
I don't think electric motors or battery power should be ruled out just yet.

However there are other modes which could be used to take us away from fossil fuels unfortunately there has been Industrial Commercial and Government cover up on those.

It is like this question:
We have more oil in this country than the entire middle east and we are capping wells all the time, so why are we importing oil and paying the big price at the pumps? 
Turn the tables on the middle east and whatever their barrel of oil price is that will be what it is going to cost for the grain to make a loaf of bread.   Wink

I do not think it is unreasonable to say that in the near future we will see large airships, blimps if you like replacing cargo ships at sea.  These could easily be operated on battery or electric power.
 
One Hundred (100) Years of aviation on this planet and it is still in it's infancy.   Wink

Question:
  " Can a person use an electric motor from a golf cart, car, or motorcycle to power an airplane? I think its possible, but wouldn't know what brand of motor to get. Just trying some old fashion barnstorming". 

OldReliable I don't think I gave you the answer you were looking for but there is new technology every day and if it is not invented yet it probably will be.   Smiley



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Reply #9 - Mar 8th, 2010 at 10:34pm

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In response to the submarine comment, do you know what the batteries on an old diesel sub weighed, nearly as much as the sub itself.  Fortunately the newer nuke boats can operate submerged off of the reactor.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 1:48am

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Reply #11 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 6:49am

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...when it come to "Environmentally Friendly" Power Sources, eg Electricity, it must be remembered the Environmental cost of generating the Electricity in various ways, in the first place!...

Charging a Battery doesn't come free!

Even after 100+ years, the internal combustion, reciprocating engine is far from dead... Kiss...!

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Reply #12 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 7:42am

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Splinter562 wrote on Mar 9th, 2010 at 1:48am:



Yeah, thats the one I was reading about.
 
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Reply #13 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:09am

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The problem with trying to use a R.A.T. to get more juice while in the air is that, while you get juice, it creates more drag.

So more drag, just to get more thrust, but with some loss in between, it is a negative gain.

Battery technology is still the boat anchor to so many modes of transporation, except boats, where you can have lots of surface area to float them.
 
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Reply #14 - Mar 9th, 2010 at 3:09pm

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The best solution to power alternative is having something require little to no power. About the only thing out there is solar energy. With companies like Yuneec making these electric aircraft; do you think they would offer to sell just the powerplant seperate from the airplane?
 

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Reply #15 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 12:32am

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What we need is a more efficient Solar Cell.

Hydrogen would be an excellent alternative, but unfortunately gaseous form isn't powerful enough, and if it were turned into liquid state you couldn't keep it cold enough in an aircrafts wing.  Not to mention it's impossible to find pure hydrogen in nature, so expensive electrolysis would be required.
 

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Reply #16 - Mar 10th, 2010 at 6:20am

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The problem with trying to use a R.A.T. to get more juice while in the air is that, while you get juice, it creates more drag.

So more drag, just to get more thrust, but with some loss in between, it is a negative gain.


Right. Overall, it's a matter of simple entropy, a law that has yet to be broken.

An airplane that charges itself as it flies (due to its movement, not solar or some onboard powerplant not involved in thrust)) is a perpetual motion machine... and even armchair engineers know that there ain't no such thing as a free lunch! Grin

A RAT on an electric airplane would help in charging a separate system, for lights, radios, etc... but it would not be able to make a difference in the power/thrust/drag equation.

Energy storage (batteries) is the big problem right now, due to weight and space, but it's improving.
Lithium-ion packs are leading the way, and the next big idea- batteries that store latent energy using a gas instead of fluid, gel or metals... is being explored.

And electric planes are already flying...

The Yuneec is looking quite viable, for short flights, anyway, and Sonex is making good progress with the electric-powered version of their popular kitplane. And there are several self-launching gliders already that make good use of very modest electric-power systems.

It's too early to say "practical sustained electric flight is not possible because of weight!" ... remember, people said the same exact thing about the use of internal-combustion gasoline engines for heavier-than-air flying machines before that was proven wrong!!
and when you look at the first Wright Flyer, you see that it was couldn't perform much better (even putting aside the high-drag, antiquated design) than any electric airplane flying today. Less so, in fact. Its powerplant was pretty weak, and it could not carry much fuel at all.
 

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