Simviation Forum - Kid directs traffic at JFK

Reply #15 - Mar 5^th, 2010 at 7:14pm

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I'm gonna remain a little cavalier on this.

I trust the judgement of these guys.. and I trust the judgement of pilots.. None of them had a problem with it.. I'd put the opinion of an FAA attorney so far down the trust list, that it wouldn't matter.

Every pilot, controller, AP guy, instructor and student I've discussed it with, all agree it's a big, "Who cares?"

When this happened, everybody (the controller, his boss, all the other controllers in the tower) not only knew it was happening.. they knew that every pilot with his radio on would know it.. and they knew it was being taped.. I'm completely confident that no safety was compromised.. if anything, all parties in the tower were extra vigillant.

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Reply #16 - Mar 6^th, 2010 at 3:12am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Mar 5^th, 2010 at 7:14pm:

I'm gonna remain a little cavalier on this.

I trust the judgement of these guys.. and I trust the judgement of pilots.. None of them had a problem with it.. I'd put the opinion of an FAA attorney so far down the trust list, that it wouldn't matter.

Every pilot, controller, AP guy, instructor and student I've discussed it with, all agree it's a big, "Who cares?"

When this happened, everybody (the controller, his boss, all the other controllers in the tower) not only knew it was happening.. they knew that every pilot with his radio on would know it.. and they knew it was being taped.. I'm completely confident that no safety was compromised.. if anything, all parties in the tower were extra vigillant.

At the end of the day the only people who care about it are the aviation armchair experts and the news media trying to sell a story and the FAA because they have too and rightly so. The rest have seen there was no safety risk. No pilots have made a formal complaint and if anyone should be concerned it would be them. There is a lesson to be learnt, that being "this will not be happening again people, first and last time". There is no requirement to lynch anyone. As Bret said, it was done in front of many people and recorded, not to mention all the spotters with air-band radios. It was not as if they even made the smallest attempt to cover it up and that would have been reason for trouble. I hope that the only thing to come out of this is the ingnition of the spark of imagination in a small child.

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Reply #17 - Mar 9^th, 2010 at 9:10pm

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Hello!

Been following this story for a couple of days, and saw something interesting:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/03/pilots-say-adios-to-support-suspended-contr...

Then I remembered something I heard on YouTube a while back that's kinda related to this story, and if you haven't heard it, here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8f8HQfDxY

Now... after hearing this clip, I wondered what happened to the pilot & the controllers after the FAA heard about it... do you think they yanked the pilot's ticket & fired the controllers? I don't think so. I think the FAA needs to relax a little bit here. Sure, it was at JFK instead of Prescott, AZ but look... the kid had his dad there and a supervisor watching everything he said to make sure it was kosher; it wasn't like the kid was handling a squawk 7700 or something...

Just my 2¢ worth, but Man, did Jessi sound cute!

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Reply #18 - Mar 9^th, 2010 at 9:49pm

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He and his supervisor were suspended for an amount of time, I don't know how long exactly.

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Reply #19 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:21am

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The FAA's hands are really tied on this one though. While most pilots and controllers agree its a non issue, the uneducated media, and the uneducated politicians, would crucify the FAA if they failed to do anything.

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Reply #20 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:50am

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

The FAA's hands are really tied on this one though. While most pilots and controllers agree its a non issue.

I'd be interested to see who initially reported it to the authorities.

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Reply #21 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 2:23pm

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C wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:50am:

DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

The FAA's hands are really tied on this one though. While most pilots and controllers agree its a non issue.

I'd be interested to see who initially reported it to the authorities.

From what I've seen, someone (anonymous) recorded the LiveATC broadcast, and turned it over to the local media. That is when the authorities got involved.

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Reply #22 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 4:13pm

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money money money money. thats all it came down to.

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Reply #23 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 5:40pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

C wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:50am:

DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

The FAA's hands are really tied on this one though. While most pilots and controllers agree its a non issue.

I'd be interested to see who initially reported it to the authorities.

From what I've seen, someone (anonymous) recorded the LiveATC broadcast, and turned it over to the local media. That is when the authorities got involved.

Ah, righto. Just shows that in the aviation community/business you really do need to keep yourself squeeky clean these days. Something as innocent as this just isn't wise anymore.

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Reply #24 - Mar 10^th, 2010 at 5:50pm

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DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 2:23pm:

C wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:50am:

DaveSims wrote on Mar 10^th, 2010 at 7:21am:

The FAA's hands are really tied on this one though. While most pilots and controllers agree its a non issue.

I'd be interested to see who initially reported it to the authorities.

From what I've seen, someone (anonymous) recorded the LiveATC broadcast, and turned it over to the local media. That is when the authorities got involved.

Seems rather ironic when the whistle-blower could have been jailed in some countries for listening to ATC transmissions. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article7035874.ece

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