Simviation Forum - Wing spoilers problem.

Feb 8^th, 2010 at 7:55am

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I have a BAE 146-200 (Avro RJ-100) by Eurowings and I recently replaced its panel with Matthias Lieberecht's (great) panel. Everything works fine except the wing spoilers : They only deploy just a few inches up and that's all. Since this is obviously due to some incompatibility between Lieberecht's panel and Eurowings' design, I would be very thankful to anyone who can give me a hint on the necessary changes needed (panel or/and aircraft cfgs, perhaps) in order to fix this incompatibility. Thank you in advance !

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Reply #1 - Feb 8^th, 2010 at 6:33pm

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small question, what was wrong with the Eurowing's panel? (just asking so that I know to change it out too if there are too many problems)

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Reply #2 - Feb 9^th, 2010 at 2:40pm

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There is nothing wrong with Eurowings' Avro RJ panel, of course. It's just that it is not as realistic as Lieberecht's panel. He was a commercial pilot and he used to fly the Avro RJs. So he developed a FS panel for every version of the aircraft. It took him ...years to finish it. Which is not such a long time considering that he gathered the feedback of ...all his fellow Avro RJ real pilots who accepted to test the realism of it. It's a tough panel to learn but I think it is rewarding...

Here's the link in case you're interested :
http://www.baepanelproject.com/

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Reply #3 - Feb 9^th, 2010 at 4:13pm

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http://www.baepanelproject.com/files/mlarjv41.zip
is this the panel that you are having problems with.. in regards to Spoiler functionality? or is it a different one?

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Reply #4 - Feb 10^th, 2010 at 8:07am

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Capt.Propwash, first thank you for your response.
No this is Mathias' ARG panel group. He writes that the Avro RJ is very different to the Avro ARJ. So, following his note (and, since the textures I have are for the Avro RJ) I downloaded and installed this :

http://www.baepanelproject.com/files/ml146v40.zip

(BAe 146 panel version 4.0 for FS2004)

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Reply #5 - Feb 10^th, 2010 at 3:41pm

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I'll take a look at the panel.cfg and see if there is anything that I can pick out about the spoilers.

when you hit the / key, the spoilers do not go all the way up like they should?

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Reply #6 - Feb 11^th, 2010 at 1:44pm

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Exactly, Capt.Propwash...
I include a screenshot.
(Thank you in advance...).

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7277/83919956.jpg

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Reply #7 - Feb 11^th, 2010 at 2:50pm

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in the Aircraft.cfg...

look for section [airplane geometry]

under that section look for ..

spoiler_limit          = 45                   //Degrees
spoilerons_available = 1                   //Spoilerons Available?
aileron_to_spoileron_gain = 3                //Aileron to spoileron gain
min_ailerons_for_spoilerons = 10             //Degrees
min_flaps_for_spoilerons = 0                   //Minimum flap handle position when spoilerons activate

I dont know if your section will show that... I took this information from the default B747-400 so.

But you might be able to play with these numbers to get your spoilers to go up a little further.

I might try to start there while I am trying to look at the panel.cfg to see if i can see a control function that would control them. ... If anyone else has any other ideas of something to check/look at, feel free to chime in.

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Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2010 at 12:22am

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Nothing, Capt.Propwash...
Changing the values in these entries has no effect...
I suppose there must be some changes in the particular gauge (it is a XML gauge, so I suppose I will need a XML editor which I must learn to use it...).

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Reply #9 - Feb 16^th, 2010 at 7:31pm

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to learn XML, try the website http://www.w3schools.com/ (left side pane, 3rd section down.... "XML TUTORIALS". you can also learn a lot of other things like HTML, XHTML, and a lot more that I really dont feel like typing, but are in the left side pane)

as for the panel itself, i have gone over that panel backwards and forewards, inside and out, and have found nothing pertaining to spoilers.

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Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2010 at 8:49am

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The problem is, that there is no problem. Wink

This is an amazingly realistic panel addon you've found, and after a bit of time with the manual for it, I think I've figured it out.

On the stock EW panel, there are two positions for the spoilers, one which is the one you can get on your setup, and then a fully extended position. Pressing the / key for spoilers only activates one of the two positions, so you must manually set for the other one.

Postion one (must be set manually on stock panel)

Position two (activates with / on stock panel.)

Now then, the addon panel works the exact same way, only one of the positions can be activated with the / key, and if you hold that key down, it will open the spoilers and air-brake all the way, but they will close when you let off.

There is a crucial step to being able to set them manually though... It is mandatory that you read section 3.11 in the manual for the spoilers. There are three conditions that have to be set in order for them to function correctly. Most of it is in the hydraulics system, several pumps need to be switched on that are just for the spoilers. And then you must select them by clicking on an area of the panel, and only then will they function properly.

Addon panel with overhead & pedestal windows opened
Note the 2 switches for the spoiler hydraulics.

Position 1 (also activates with the / key)

Position 2 (must be set manually according to the manual)

Hope this helps you out some. This is certainly a more involved panel than the stock one, I may have to add the other panels to the rest of the EW BAe's. Wink

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Reply #11 - Feb 22^nd, 2010 at 3:05pm

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.....I don't know how to thank you for this, Capt.Propwash !!!!

(Some ...pilot I am ! Never noticed the two spoiler hydrolics switches!!! lol).

Thank you so much for saving me

I will be glad to have the chance to return the favor anytime.

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Reply #12 - Feb 22^nd, 2010 at 5:11pm

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dont thank me too much, Shane was the genius that figured it out... i didnt even see the 2 switches either. lol

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