Simviation Forum - wishes for better downloads

Reply #15 - Feb 16^th, 2010 at 2:34pm

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nandi wrote on Feb 16^th, 2010 at 5:24am:

Hello Fr.Bill

I think there was a mishmash between feet and meter.
If the developer has had the data from a papersketch with feet data and build it
with meters you get the shown big aircraft.

Actually, the problem is the result of folks who don't read instructions, or at best don't understand them properly.

In both Max and GMax, the "System Unit Scale" MUST be set to "1 Unit = 1 Meter." This defines how the mesh will be re-scaled during the Export process. It has nothing whatever to do with the "units of measurement" that the modeler will use in Max or GMax, which are set in another part of the configuration, and may be metric or decimal, with a number of variations for each. Cool

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Reply #16 - Feb 20^th, 2010 at 3:39am

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Hello.
Here another one.

EDDB_FS9.zip

The taxiwaysigns are confuse middle on the taxiway.

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nandi

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Reply #17 - Feb 21^st, 2010 at 5:29am

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Hello FR.Bill.
Sorry if my English is so bad, that you don`t understand what I mean.

I know developers,they have books with aircraftsdrawings in it.
The information is in feet.

Before anything doing in GMax with meters it is important to scale,convert,
the data from feet in the book to meters for Gmax in your mind.

Example.
I`m tire but start GMax.
Select cube.
Have a look in my book.
Length 15
Write in GMax 15.
Boiiiing.
It must be 5.

If not, you get the bigger one. Wink

I hope you can follow me ?

Regard
nandi

« Last Edit: Feb 21^st, 2010 at 9:21am by nandi »

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Reply #18 - Feb 22^nd, 2010 at 5:55pm

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nandi wrote on Feb 21^st, 2010 at 5:29am:

Hello FR.Bill.
Sorry if my English is so bad, that you don`t understand what I mean.

I know developers,they have books with aircraftsdrawings in it.
The information is in feet.

Before anything doing in GMax with meters it is important to scale,convert,
the data from feet in the book to meters for Gmax in your mind.

Example.
I`m tire but start GMax.
Select cube.
Have a look in my book.
Length 15
Write in GMax 15.
Boiiiing.
It must be 5.

If not, you get the bigger one. Wink

I hope you can follow me ?

Regard
nandi

No, you don't have to do any mental arithmetic!!

YOU can simply tell GMax that you wish to model in one of the following systems, using Customize/Units Setup:
Quote:

US Standard
Decimal Inches
Fractional Feet
Decimal Feet
Feet with Fractional Inches
Feet with Decimal Inches

Metric
Centimeters
Meters
Kilometers

However! Customize/Preference Settings/System Unit Scale must always be:
Quote:

1 Unit = 1 Meter

This last setting is only used during the Export process so that the conversion from your Units Setup will be automatically rescaled to the Flightsim's 1 Unit = 1 Meter requirement... Wink

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Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 3:23am

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Hello Fr.Bill.

I never worked with feet.

I`m always ready to learn.

Usually at first before begining to make a model is to set the unit to meter.
I don`t know, how the program knows the data are feet ?

Before beginning at first set unit to feet.
If the model is ready,before converting to bgl the unit must set to meter.
Is that the correct way?

What happen I forgot the unit change?

nandi

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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 8:29am

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Hi Nandi,

What I normally do is that I use an external converter to convert feet to meter, and as FR Bill said, you set up your Gmax as 1unit =1meter. Thus for example you want to draw a box of 20ft x 20ft x 20 ft, I use an external convertor, and convert 20 feet to meters. Then in GMax I enter 6.096m 6.096m x 6.096m. Make sure all the values you enter into GMax is converted to meters, that way you can never mix them up or get confused. There is ways to work in feet in GMax, but if you want a simple proven way, you can follow this guideline. I hope this answers your question?

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Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 1:22pm

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Why do you guys insist on making this

SO COMPLICATED???
Cheesy

1. Set Max/GMax Customize/Preference Settings/System Unit Scale to "1 unit = 1 meter."

2. Forget that the above exists at all. Do not EVER change it again... This setting is required so that the export module will be able to convert whatever modeling units you are using to the standard 1u=1m that flightsim's compiler uses...

3. Use ONLY Customize/Units Setup to tell Max/GMax which system of measurement you want to use:

US Standard
Quote:

Decimal Inches
Fractional Feet
Decimal Feet
Feet with Fractional Inches
Feet with Decimal Inches

Metric
Quote:

Centimeters
Meters
Kilometers

You can even change your modeling units as often as you wish while working on the same scene!

If I need a box 1 meter square, I set the modeling units to "Metric:Meters" and simply create the box typing in 1m in the keyboard entry fields.

If I then need a box that is 12" square, I set the modeling units to "US Standard:Inches" and type 12" in the keyboard entry fields.

If I need a plane that is 46.356 feet square, I set the modeling units to "US Standard:Decimal Feet" and type 46.365' in the keyboard entry fields.

On the other hand, if I need to create a plane that is 2.43 hectares or 1.64 acres...

...NOW I need to do some manual calculations!!! Grin

Bill
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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 6:42pm

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So, Fr. Bill - I take it that means no easy cubits ?

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Reply #23 - Feb 24^th, 2010 at 1:19am

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Fr. Bill wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2010 at 1:22pm:

Why do you guys insist on making this

SO COMPLICATED???
Cheesy

1. Set Max/GMax Customize/Preference Settings/System Unit Scale to "1 unit = 1 meter."

Fr Bill, I understand, and use the systems as you explained. I am an architect, and understand the priciple, I just realised that Nandi could get confused with it, therefore I tried to help.

The main reason I convert feet to meters is for me to create a picture in my mind. I am young, and didn't grow up with inches and feet, but with metric units, thus I cannot even imagine how far is 20ft. Grin

thank you for all the help! it is GREAT!

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Reply #24 - Feb 24^th, 2010 at 6:04am

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Hello.
To see the hole pictures move sliders.

Let´s come to the end.
I tried some different thrings.

All you wrote is right, if you mean Max.
If I have feetdata I must at first change the unit to feet.
Then I can put the feetdata directly to Max and specvially I see that the unit is feet !
Before converting I change the unit to meter and all is correct.

I`m a German and we work mostly with FSDS. , because easier and quicker and all is possible as in Max
and important, German language.

But in FSDS is a bug .
In FSDS you can change the unit also as in Max.
That`s the bug.
You never should be able to do that.
There must be a warningwindow or better no way to do that.
In the instruction is it declared, but if you work also with Max, in hurry
like me,it`s forgotten.

What happen in FSDS.
I get a window to write the data in it.
I know, I have changed in feet like in Max
I write the feeddata and ok.
Nothing ok.
I don`t notice anything, but FSDS takes the data as meter.
In the FSDS windows you don`t see the different.
If ready and convert in unit meter, you see that as the big cessna.

Regard

nandi

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Reply #25 - Feb 24^th, 2010 at 2:17pm

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nandi wrote on Feb 24^th, 2010 at 6:04am:

All you wrote is right, if you mean Max.
If I have feetdata I must at first change the unit to feet.
Then I can put the feetdata directly to Max and specvially I see that the unit is feet !
Before converting I change the unit to meter and all is correct.

I`m a German and we work mostly with FSDS. , because easier and quicker and all is possible as in Max
and important, German language.

Well of course what I wrote was about Max -and- GMax. I specifically wrote "Max/GMax," nicht wahar?

As to whether FSDS can do "all" that Max or GMax can do, that is very debatable. There quite a few things that FSDS can NOT do, or at least not do nearly as well.

What you have illustrated is just one of many shortcomings, and not even the most important.

As far as I'm concerned, the fact that FSDS doesn't even support FSX Materials is much more critical. If it were not for Dave Nunyez's wonderful FSTweak utility, it would be hopeless.

But, this thread really isn't about debating the merits of one modeling program or another, it was about "better downloads" and having some standards.

The standards are outlined in the FS9 and FSX SDKs. It's up to modelers to understand them, and how to achieve them irrespective of the modeling tools used... Grin

The file you posted earlier, EDDB_FS9.zip is a perfect example of a "modeler" who does not understand how to use the tools properly. There's no reason why there should be such a mish-mash of runway signs in a release package... Cheesy

Bill
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Reply #26 - Feb 24^th, 2010 at 7:06pm

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Nandi. In FSDS, you set your program preferences (File Preferences) to model in meters of feet. The "System unit" of 1 unit=1 meter is handled internally.

There is no bug.

When you import a source file that was modelled in feet and your program is set up to model in meters, you will get a dialog box asking you to make the conversion or not.....

Even if you import a model in meters and leave it unchanged, the plugins menu inlcudes a "ScaleProject" utility to convert the model from one to the other.

nandi wrote on Feb 24^th, 2010 at 6:04am:

Hello.
To see the hole pictures move sliders.

Let´s come to the end.
I tried some different thrings.

All you wrote is right, if you mean Max.
If I have feetdata I must at first change the unit to feet.
Then I can put the feetdata directly to Max and specvially I see that the unit is feet !
Before converting I change the unit to meter and all is correct.

I`m a German and we work mostly with FSDS. , because easier and quicker and all is possible as in Max
and important, German language.

But in FSDS is a bug .
In FSDS you can change the unit also as in Max.
That`s the bug.
You never should be able to do that.
There must be a warningwindow or better no way to do that.
In the instruction is it declared, but if you work also with Max, in hurry
like me,it`s forgotten.

What happen in FSDS.
I get a window to write the data in it.
I know, I have changed in feet like in Max
I write the feeddata and ok.
Nothing ok.
I don`t notice anything, but FSDS takes the data as meter.
In the FSDS windows you don`t see the different.
If ready and convert in unit meter, you see that as the big cessna.

Regard

nandi

Felix/FFDS

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