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Jan 25^th, 2010 at 10:45pm

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Yesterday morning, taken from the warm comfort of my ramp wagon Grin

and with my phone.

Matt

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B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400

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Reply #1 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 1:49pm

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Hi Matt...

Great shots...thanks... Wink

The de-ice trucks here are mostly operated by one individual from inside an enclosed station at the end of the boom.
The unit can also disperse hot air along with de-icing fluid. The hot air clears snow/ice from the fuselage, wings etc.

There are still a few de-ice trucks around that have a crew of two, driver and de-icer but we see more one person operated units now.
The de-ice pad is also more common which operates much like a very large car wash and does not require a second truck/unit to suck up the de-ice fluid.
It is not uncommon to see both types in use at military or civilian airports here.

I remember the old days when we just parked the bird in the sun and sent the crewman out with a broom. Grin

Thanks again for the pictures. Wink

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

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Reply #2 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 2:09pm

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What happens to all the toxic de-icing fluid?

...down the drain?

Quote:
"The toxicity of deicing fluids is an environmental concern, and research is underway to find less toxic alternatives. For example, the US Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) is currently studying a chemical known as METSS ADF-2. Other strategies can be used to minimize the environmental impact such as collecting used fluid and using the maximum dilution consistent with safety. In 2009 the first use of a biological-based deice fluid was announced. Flybe, Europe's largest regional airline announced that it would be using a Kilfrost product containing 1,3-propanediol, a fermentation product of corn.[2]"
End quote.

Expensive stuff..to throw away?

Paul....

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Reply #3 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 2:49pm

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De-icing, professional style!

Doug, I've come across the enclosed units in Canada (Halifax I think, ~~almost exactly~~ Wink

about a year ago as it happens). Very swish, and a bit warmer too I suspect!

Paul: I suspect that's a question you only ask if you are involved in someone's little healthandenvironmentalsafetyandprotection empire! Grin

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Reply #4 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 3:00pm

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C wrote on Jan 26^th, 2010 at 2:49pm:

De-icing, professional style!

Doug, I've come across the enclosed units in Canada (Halifax I think, almost exactly a year ago as it happens). Very swish, and a bit warmer too I suspect!

Paul: I suspect that's a question you only ask if you are involved in someone's little healthandenvironmentalsafetyandprotection empire! Grin

.....naughty.... Wink

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...."....almost exactly....".... Angry

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Paul.... Grin

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Reply #5 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 3:03pm

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Fozzer wrote on Jan 26^th, 2010 at 3:00pm:

C wrote on Jan 26^th, 2010 at 2:49pm:

De-icing, professional style!

Doug, I've come across the enclosed units in Canada (Halifax I think, almost exactly a year ago as it happens). Very swish, and a bit warmer too I suspect!

Paul: I suspect that's a question you only ask if you are involved in someone's little healthandenvironmentalsafetyandprotection empire! Grin

.....naughty.... Wink

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...."....almost exactly....".... Angry

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Paul.... Grin

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Good call. Very poor indeed.

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Reply #6 - Jan 27^th, 2010 at 11:06am

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Good morning all...

Here the de-icing fluid is recycled depending on the concentration percentage. There are different holding tanks for different used concentration levels.

There are different types of de-icing fluids as well in use.

In Canada where there is a chance of de-icing fluid seeping/leaking into a sewer or body of water there are several meters placed in strategic locations set for different time intervals for testing per hour which will detect even the minutest level of the concentration and the first fine from the Ministry of the Environment is six digits which is costly.
There is zero tolerance by the Ministry and I for one tend to agree with that.

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug

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