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Jan 24th, 2010 at 8:17pm

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SmileyAir Force Skyraider Units - Viet Nam & Thailand
They flew out of Udorn, NKP, Pleiku, Bein Hoa, Nha Trang and QuiNhon.  They all flew almost all models.

Tail Letters, Unit, Call Signs:

TT - 602 SOS/ACS - Firefly & Sandy
TC - 1st SOS/ACS - Hobo & Sandy
ET - 6th SOS - SPAD
TS - 22nd SOS - Zorro & Sandy
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 24th, 2010 at 8:23pm

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Tongue "Bet You Didn't Know" Skyraider Facts:

    * The single engine Skyraider had a heavier maximum external store capacity (7,500 lbs.) than the four engine B-17 Flying Fortress (4,800 lbs.).

    * The Wright Cyclone R-3350-26WD was the largest radial engine ever used on a successfully produced single engine US military aircraft*. The B-29 Super Fortress, BTD-1 Destroyer, P2V Neptune, and the P-5 Marlin also used the Wright R-3350 engine. The R-3350 was second in size only to the R-4360 which was used on the B-36 Peacemaker and the B-50. For you motor heads, you can buy your own R-3350 pistons and/or valves here.

    * The limiting factor on the duration on a Skyraider mission was the oil supply. Despite having a 38.5 gallon oil sump, auxiliary oil tanks were fitted for long ferry missions.

    * The Skyraider had a total of 15 external stations on which external fuel tanks and weapons were carried.

    * The Skyraider carried sufficient ordnance to deliver ordnance on over 100 passes on a single sortie.

    * Due to its heavy gross weight, the Skyraider cruised to the target at 140 knots indicated airspeed at a maximum altitude of approximately 10,000 ft. This equated to approximately three miles per minute over the ground.

    * The four M-3 20mm cannons used percussion primed (as opposed to electric primed) ammo which had to be drawn from Korean war surplus since it was no longer produced during the Vietnam War era.

    * The Skyraider typically carried more fuel in external tanks (3,000 lbs.) than was carried internally (2,000 lbs.).

    * The ordnance carried for a search and rescue (SAR) mission was: 720 rounds of 20 mm for the M-3 cannons, 1,500 rounds of 7.62 ammo for the SUU-11 minigun, 4 x CBU-25 canisters with high explosive bomblets, 2 x CBU-22 canisters with smoke bomblets, 2 x AN-M47 white phosphorus smoke bombs, 2 x LAU-3 pods with 19 HE (high explosive) rockets each, 2 x LAU-59/68 pods with 7 WP (white phosphorus) marking rockets each.

* The Martin Am-1 Mauler was fitted with the R-4360 but was produced only in limited numbers.
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 1:55am

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The Skyraider is like an A-10 Warthog with a San Miguel induced thiamine deficiency. 
I read that in Jane's Fighting Aircraft OF AERIAL DESCENT.  Huh
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:07pm

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hellcat-44 wrote on Jan 25th, 2010 at 1:55am:
The Skyraider is like an A-10 Warthog with a San Miguel induced thiamine deficiency. 
I read that in Jane's Fighting Aircraft OF AERIAL DESCENT.  Huh


And who said flight simmers couldn't wax poetic....philosophical even?   Anyhow the guy who wrote that hit the nail on the head.  Smiley
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 8:16pm

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Did you know?  The attack on the real Bridges At Toko-Ri was made by Skyraiders and Corsairs.   Only the recon photos were taken by Panthers.... Cool

...four AD-3s from Fighter Squadron (VF) 194 and two F4Us from VF-653 led by Lieutenant Commander Robert Schreiber, CO of VF-194, were scheduled to hit three railroad bridges on the Kowon-Yangdok-Samdong-ni rail line. Aerial reconnaissance photographs from F9F Panther photo planes showed that the targeted stone bridges lay in a deep valley with heavily defended guns atop surrounding hills, which required a hit-and-run attack.

A single coordinated dive-bombing attack was planned in which each AD would drop two or three 1,000-pound delay-fused bombs, and the F4Us would drop 250-pound bombs on the bridges. Only two of the three bridges were destroyed, so Schreiber called for a second attack, during which VF-194 pilot Ensign Marvin S. Broomhead's AD was hit in the engine. Too low to bail out, he landed the Skyraider wheels up on a small, snow-covered clearing atop a mountain. Moments before touching down a small arms bullet grazed his temple, causing him to crash-land, breaking both ankles and a vertebra. Pulling himself out of the cockpit, he crawled clear of the wreckage to watch his circling comrades who were anxiously calling for the rescue helicopters from Rochester and Greer County, which were not available.

The cruiser Manchester (CL 83), however, had an HO3S-1 that was used for shore gun spotting, but it was more than 100 miles away. Despite the distance, pilots Lt. Edward Moore and Marine Corps 1st Lt. Kenneth Henry answered the call and headed inland, finding Broomhead surrounded by enemy troops on the mountain top. Suddenly their helicopter sputtered from enemy ground fire and rolled over next to the AD wreckage, injuring Henry in the process. Broomhead's squadron mates frantically called for a fourth helicopter. A rescue attempt by an Air Force helo was driven off by heavy ground fire and 60-knot winds.

Broomhead could not get up with both ankles broken, Henry was down with a sprained knee, and Lt. Moore was not about to leave them. With dusk approaching and the RESCAP planes running out of gas and ammunition, hope for a rescue was lost. All three were now alone in the darkness facing Chinese Communist troops coming up the hill.

By the following morning, the only visible trace of the three airmen was a large circle of what appeared to be blood in the snow near the wreckage. Actually, it was mostly dye marker from life vests that had spread through the snow, creating a huge red circle around the aircraft that gave the appearance of a massacre.
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Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:56pm

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Here is a rare photo of a USAF Skyraider making an emergency landing using the cable arresting system that the Air Force used on SEA airfields.  Note that the troubled Sandy (one gear dangling) has his hook down to engage the system.  PS It worked.  Smiley

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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 11:09pm

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USN and Marine Squadrons:

Too numerous to list.   Over 30 USN squadrons operated the various versions of the Skyraider from 1948 through the early 70s.  Over 20 Marine squadrons operated the aircraft from 1948 through 1958.

So that's what those big flappy things are for.....Cool

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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 11:35pm

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I DID NOT SAY, "Down, Please."  Angry

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Reply #8 - Jan 25th, 2010 at 11:54pm

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Dieter Dengler was shotdown over North Vietnam in his Skyraider, was captured, escaped and was returned to his carrier 171 days later.  An amazing story.  Diengler weighed 93lbs when he escaped.

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Reply #9 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 12:13am

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The Yankee Extraction System...or how do I get out of my SPAD in a hurry?  Questioning

You may have thought the old Skyraider was out of date...bet you did not know it had an ejection, or rather an extraction system for the pilot.  Cheesy

The cylinder behind the pilot's seat is not a brace, but a solid fuel rocket with bungee cords running from the rocket to the pilot's harness.  How does this work?

The canopy is jettisioned.  The rocket is hinged to the back of the pilot's seat and rotates to a vertical position.  It is blown out of the frame by an explosive charge, and when the bungee cords have reached maximum extension (about 12 feet), the rocket fires for 1 second.  This YANKS the pilot out of the aircraft and he opens his chute manually.

While doing an instructor tour at Lowry in Denver back in the early 60's, I had an apartment down the street from Stanley Aviation who made the system.  I got to witness tests of the system....which worked quite well.  Cheesy

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Reply #10 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 1:59pm

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Did someone say Martin AM-1 MAULER?  FWIW, Tom ... I have a book on that a/c as well ... not as thick as the Mitchell ... but MOST instructive.

Not an operational success ... but one of my all-time favorites.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 3:10pm

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Did someone say Martin AM-1 MAULER?

Not me!  Never heard of that plane.   I didn't say a word!   Grin
 

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Bernie Fisher, Skyraider Pilot, 1st Air Commando Squadron
USAF's First Living Medal of Honor Winner


During the Battle of A Shau on March 10, 1966

For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On that date, the Special Forces camp at A Shau was under attack by 2,000 North Vietnamese Army regulars. Hostile troops had positioned themselves between the airstrip and the camp. Other hostile troops had surrounded the camp and were continuously raking it with automatic weapons fire from the surrounding hills. The tops of the 1,500-foot hills were obscured by an 800 foot ceiling, limiting aircraft maneuverability and forcing pilots to operate within range of hostile gun positions, which often were able to fire down on the attacking aircraft. During the battle, Maj. Fisher observed a fellow airman crash land on the battle-torn airstrip. In the belief that the downed pilot was seriously injured and in imminent danger of capture, Maj. Fisher announced his intention to land on the airstrip to effect a rescue. Although aware of the extreme danger and likely failure of such an attempt, he elected to continue. Directing his own air cover, he landed his aircraft and taxied almost the full length of the runway, which was littered with battle debris and parts of an exploded aircraft. While effecting a successful rescue of the downed pilot, heavy ground fire was observed, with 19 bullets striking his aircraft. In the face of the withering ground fire, he applied power and gained enough speed to lift-off at the overrun of the airstrip. Maj. Fisher's profound concern for his fellow airman, and at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty are in the highest traditions of the U.S. Air Force and reflect great credit upon himself and the Armed Forces of his country.  Smiley
 

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Reply #13 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 12:22pm

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Great stuff TR!
Was curious about the fate of Broomhead/Moore/Henry.
So... all POW's...but couldn't find if Moore/Henry survived.

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Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 1:21pm

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Smiley ALL THREE SURVIVED....THEY WERE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT TO HAVE BEEN KILLED ON THE SPOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS THOUGHT TO BE A LARGE AREA OF BLOOD STAINS ON THE SITE.  THAT TURNED-OUT TO BE A RED DYE MARKER.  Wink

James Michener news-dispatched the death scene of the three airmen from his post aboard Valley Forge, believing that Chinese soldiers had killed them during the night (in reality, all three survived their ordeal and were repatriated as POWs after the war).
 

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Bill_Kestell wrote on Jan 26th, 2010 at 1:59pm:
Did someone say Martin AM-1 MAULER?  FWIW, Tom ... I have a book on that a/c as well ... not as thick as the Mitchell ... but MOST instructive.

Not an operational success ... but one of my all-time favorites.


Oh, that Martin Mauler......Yeeeeeaaaaaah...
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That's her ... the OTHER "FLYING DUMP TRUCK"! Cheesy
 
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Reply #17 - Jan 31st, 2010 at 7:16pm

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Ez nice airplane, but ez too beeg.   Cry
 

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