Simviation Forum - The End of an Era?

Reply #15 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 4:02am

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C wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2010 at 5:21pm:

One of the saddest things, if not the saddest, is it takes away one of the final opportunities that were available for people, mainly children, to come up and see what goes on up the front on the flight deck of an airliner.

How many of us on the forum older than our mid teens were inspired by going up front on an airliner when we were younger? Quite a few I suspect. The charters that will inevitably replace some of our civilian carrying passenger routes will, just like any other civilian airliner, have the door firmly locked.

That's one thing we'll miss. Embarrassed

During my time in a blue suit and Op Warden, though the suit switched between Khaki and DP's depending on the time of year Grin

I had a jolly over North Iraq on a tanking mission. Cockpit for take off and landing, lots of pictures of posers in helmets with dark visors and to top it off, an in flight shut down due to severe vibration. A shut down that the crew "forgot about" on approach and shortly before landing that involved fire walling the throttles to retard the descent a little.......after landing I was told that "I had not seen that" Grin

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Reply #16 - Jan 23^rd, 2010 at 8:04am

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Making cockpit visits to the 727 as a boy and later as a teenager is one reason there is a 727 cockpit in my basement.

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Reply #17 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 6:04pm

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Sad that such a beautiful airliner will go... Embarrassed

I thought the TU-154 was the fastest civilian aircraft?
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With a cruising speed of 975km/h, the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5280 km

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Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2010 at 6:41pm

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Rich H wrote on Jan 24^th, 2010 at 6:04pm:

Sad that such a beautiful airliner will go... Embarrassed

I thought the TU-154 was the fastest civilian aircraft?
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With a cruising speed of 975km/h, the Tu-154 is one of the fastest civilian aircraft in operation and has a range of 5280 km

From Wiki.

Wiki: great for information, but also great for disinformation and poor presentation of data.

If it gave a mach number... Anecdotally a lot of airliners have been capable of M.90 or thereabouts, but hard figures are always easily apparent.

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Reply #19 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 1:45am

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any airliner can be the fastest it just depends on how many pieces you want it in at the end Lips Sealed

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ut on a serious note thats kinda sad but i never knew you could do that Shocked

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Reply #20 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 12:22pm

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The VC-10 could definitely out-clock the 154 by a little bit, but I think now that the VC is on it's last legs, the 154 is the fastest airliner. Unfortunately, many Russian airlines are steadily replacing them with Boeing or Airbus brands as the years go on. I think Aeroflot relatively recently retired their 154s. Granted, you can still see many of them in the Eastern countries, but I suspect that within the next dozen years, they will become exceedingly rare.

Also note that wiki says "one of the fastest" not THE fastest.

Finally, if you are just going by "civilian aircraft" with the exception of the privately owned military fighters, I think the title belongs to the Cessna Citation X.

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Reply #21 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 12:36pm

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The VC-10 could definitely out-clock the 154 by a little bit, but I think now that the VC is on it's last legs, the 154 is the fastest airliner. Unfortunately, many Russian airlines are steadily replacing them with Boeing or Airbus brands as the years go on. I think Aeroflot relatively recently retired their 154s. Granted, you can still see many of them in the Eastern countries, but I suspect that within the next dozen years, they will become exceedingly rare.

Also note that wiki says "one of the fastest" not THE fastest.

Finally, if you are just going by "civilian aircraft" with the exception of the privately owned military fighters, I think the title belongs to the Cessna Citation X.

True yep, I should have really read it. Embarrassed

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Reply #22 - Jan 25^th, 2010 at 2:10pm

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The VC-10 could definitely out-clock the 154 by a little bit, but I think now that the VC is on it's last legs,

Steady on. The '10s got a few years left yet!

As for fast airliners, I doubt any company is operating any "legacy" aircraft anywhere near the speeds they used to. I suspect most will have trimmed their cruise speeds down in the quest for better fuel economy!

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Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2010 at 6:53am

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Before the 727 was retired, manuals frequently limited their speed to M.78. This occured in the '70's during the oil embargo.

It'll do M.84 without breaking a sweat.

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