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Jan 9
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, 2010 at 7:38pm
bowler_man
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Hey all, I was listening to live air traffic control, and I heard an aircraft say something similar to "Santa Ana tower, United 22, I almost had an RA". Can anyone tell me what that means?
Thanks!
Jimmy
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Jan 9
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Ra, the Egyptian god:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra
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Jan 9
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(Conflict) Resolution Advisory. Refers to TCAS or other traffic-detection alerts. Not sure how you "almost" have an RA, but maybe the pilot meant he had visual contact with traffic that appeared to be in conflict for some period of time.
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Sorry rottydaddy, but I'm gonna have to accept skoker's answer
Thanks, that makes sense. I'm not sure if he said he "almost" had an RA, but it happened just after the controller advised him of a very close aircraft.
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Jan 10
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beaky wrote
on Jan 9
th
, 2010 at 9:02pm:
(Conflict) Resolution Advisory. Refers to TCAS or other traffic-detection alerts. Not sure how you "almost" have an RA, but maybe the pilot meant he had visual contact with traffic that appeared to be in conflict for some period of time.
TCAS will go through several stages before giving you and RA.
In the systems I've used, the first indication is the change of icon indicating the "threat" aircraft (in both aircraft the TCAS display has been integral to the VSI), then if it becomes more of an issue a warning of "TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC" (you can get these quite normally from and aircraft only 1000ft above of below you. or climbing/descending to a level below/above you, and hence rate of climb should be decreased when approaching the desired level, otherwise you can casue spruious RAs) and the finally, if the flight paths are increasing the chance of a collision, the RA, ordered by "CLIMB, CLIMB" or "DESCEND, DESCEND" command.
So you can "almost" have an RA, in a manner of speaking.
Although it's rather down to the judgement of the person claiming to have almost had the RA...
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Jan 10
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C wrote
on Jan 10
th
, 2010 at 4:24pm:
beaky wrote
on Jan 9
th
, 2010 at 9:02pm:
(Conflict) Resolution Advisory. Refers to TCAS or other traffic-detection alerts. Not sure how you "almost" have an RA, but maybe the pilot meant he had visual contact with traffic that appeared to be in conflict for some period of time.
TCAS will go through several stages before giving you and RA.
In the systems I've used, the first indication is the change of icon indicating the "threat" aircraft (in both aircraft the TCAS display has been integral to the VSI), then if it becomes more of an issue a warning of "TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC" (you can get these quite normally from and aircraft only 1000ft above of below you. or climbing/descending to a level below/above you, and hence rate of climb should be decreased when approaching the desired level, otherwise you can casue spruious RAs) and the finally, if the flight paths are increasing the chance of a collision, the RA, ordered by "CLIMB, CLIMB" or "DESCEND, DESCEND" command.
So you can "almost" have an RA, in a manner of speaking.
Although it's rather down to the judgement of the person claiming to have almost had the RA...
Right, that makes sense... the advisory comes after the alert(s).
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Jan 10
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, 2010 at 5:30pm
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beaky wrote
on Jan 10
th
, 2010 at 5:19pm:
C wrote
on Jan 10
th
, 2010 at 4:24pm:
beaky wrote
on Jan 9
th
, 2010 at 9:02pm:
(Conflict) Resolution Advisory. Refers to TCAS or other traffic-detection alerts. Not sure how you "almost" have an RA, but maybe the pilot meant he had visual contact with traffic that appeared to be in conflict for some period of time.
TCAS will go through several stages before giving you and RA.
In the systems I've used, the first indication is the change of icon indicating the "threat" aircraft (in both aircraft the TCAS display has been integral to the VSI), then if it becomes more of an issue a warning of "TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC" (you can get these quite normally from and aircraft only 1000ft above of below you. or climbing/descending to a level below/above you, and hence rate of climb should be decreased when approaching the desired level, otherwise you can casue spruious RAs) and the finally, if the flight paths are increasing the chance of a collision, the RA, ordered by "CLIMB, CLIMB" or "DESCEND, DESCEND" command.
So you can "almost" have an RA, in a manner of speaking.
Although it's rather down to the judgement of the person claiming to have almost had the RA...
Right, that makes sense... the advisory comes after the alert(s).
It's the one that really gets your attention if you've managed to ignore the other two!
Thankfully I've only had one RA - thankfully we were in formation with to "threat" at the time, and had accidentally clicked the switch round a notch too far (you can select "TA" where you'll only get the "TRAFFIC" call, and no RAs - useful flying in formation, or "TA/RA" where you get the full series of alerts if necessary.
Clever bit of kit!
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